### Author Topic: Flat 4 Revisited  (Read 2694 times)

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#### Ringmaster

##### Flat 4 Revisited
« on: May 08, 2016, 11:35:15 PM »
Evening all, I just waded through that (roulette-cc? influenced) quagmire of referred posts about the system that records groups? of four numbers to indicate hot and cold wagering opportunities.
I noticed not one, but two Elephants in the room, although, I do admit, the scattergun approach sometimes works, if you can reduce the per-spin out lay.
Elephant number (1) Choosing four (essentially diametric Compass points) is not a "grouping" and cannot signify a "hot" or "cold" sector neither of which I believe in by the way, a much more efficient method to keep track of, would be to pick groups of four adjacent numbers, and the single O wheel, provides the sequence very elegantly.
Elephant number (2) Dismissing or ignoring the Zero is a fatal decision, as it then becomes the unassailable "house" number, and apart from screwing with your charts/records/results, it now means that you are playing a self imposed 5.4% against the player, (american odds) wheel.
IMO, the more practical grouping is this, groups of four. Starting with Zero, anticlockwise, the first group has Five numbers, 0, 32, 15, 19, (4) the second group is 21, (2), 25, 17, the third being 34, (6),  27, 13 and so on till you get to 12, 35, (3), 26  and you include Zero again in this last group.
The groups are now very easy to chart or keep track of, because the group that contains the number 4, is the number 4 group, as is the number 2 group, the number 6 group, the number 8 group, etc.
So, now you have nine trackable "sector" groups, each with its own included number signifier, and no confusion.
I know that including the Zero in both the "3" and "4" sections may incur some debate, and it could be assigned to just one or the other, but I think that if it was assigned to the "3" sector, and wagered as a "split" with Zero, that the four chip out lay per spin would be compromised when either the "3" or the "0" appeared..
There a several exquisitely balanced patterns on the single Zero wheel, other than the traditional classics, in fact, there are enough patterns to provide a win result to ANY record of 100 consecutive spins Have a Great week! -R.

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#### Reyth

##### Re: Flat 4 Revisited
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2016, 12:58:14 AM »
There a several exquisitely balanced patterns on the single Zero wheel, other than the traditional classics, in fact, there are enough patterns to provide a win result to ANY record of 100 consecutive spins Have a Great week! -R.

It is possible to go 123 spins and not see a particular group of 4 numbers but 100 is close to that...

Or are you saying that by use of patterns we can whittle down that minimum to 100 or less?
« Last Edit: May 09, 2016, 01:00:14 AM by Reyth »

#### Sheridan44

##### Re: Flat 4 Revisited
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2016, 05:29:50 AM »
Maybe I'm missing something here, but I can't see how arranging 4 numbers in such a way that makes it easier to track - has any particular advantage over just picking 4 numbers out of thin air - or just going with hot quads. Perhaps some clarification would help.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2016, 05:38:02 AM by Sheridan44 »

#### Reyth

##### Re: Flat 4 Revisited
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2016, 05:52:12 AM »
This system is for a live wheel.  The goal is to bet wheel sectors that are likely to hit.  I believe the theory revolves around potential wheel bias or dealer signature.

I don't play live wheels so this system on its face is not for me BUT I find his comment regarding patterns interesting...
« Last Edit: May 09, 2016, 05:54:16 AM by Reyth »

#### Sheridan44

##### Re: Flat 4 Revisited
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2016, 06:35:53 AM »
I totally agree Reyth......there may be something to wheel mechanics...but I tend to believe that any wheel abnormalities have - at most - a minor significance, and casino's use defensive tactics like monitoring and changing out the wheels to limit and prevent such potential bias irregularities.  As a practical matter, I haven't the time or inclination to set and watch hundreds of spins to see if a particular number has appeared 3 or 4 times more than it should have.

I am also interested in rare pattern anomalies, and their possible exploitation. I believe they are key to possibly profiting - or at least holding your own - at the tables.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2016, 06:37:59 AM by Sheridan44 »

#### Ringmaster

##### Re: Flat 4 Revisited
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2016, 11:51:55 AM »
Je do is etre sure une autre planets, de route evidence une langue etrangere.
Je pensais que je manifestais mes concepts a un groups de devots du jeu de la roulette!
Maintenant, je trouve que le moderateur global pour le forum ne joue pas physiquement le jeu (je ne jouer les roues en direct donc ce systeme sure son visage est pas pour moi) alors comment peut-il juger de la valeur ou non de route proposition? C'est incroyable!!

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#### Reyth

##### Re: Flat 4 Revisited
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2016, 01:27:11 PM »
Je do is etre sure une autre planets, de route evidence une langue etrangere.
Je pensais que je manifestais mes concepts a un groups de devots du jeu de la roulette!
Maintenant, je trouve que le moderateur global pour le forum ne joue pas physiquement le jeu (je ne jouer les roues en direct donc ce systeme sure son visage est pas pour moi) alors comment peut-il juger de la valeur ou non de route proposition? C'est incroyable!!

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I do is be safe another planets, drive evidence a foreign language.
I thought I showed my concepts to a groups of devotees of the game of roulette!
Now I find that the overall moderator for the forum does not physically play the game (so I will play live wheels that sour his face system is not for me) so how can he judge the valueor non-road proposal ? It's incredible!!

I don't play live wheels but neither have I judged the system you posted; I cannot do so which you have also stated.

I can only tell you that regardless of whether it is a live wheel or not, it is possible to exceed 100 spins and not see a particular group of 4 numbers UNLESS you are able to gain that advantage by the use of the patterns you mentioned (or some other means).

The odds are 1 in 909 of getting 101 spins without a particular group of 4 numbers appearing.

I am very interested in your patterns however (if you could please explain more) and I like your postings!
« Last Edit: May 09, 2016, 04:14:29 PM by Reyth »