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#### Jake007

##### "The Grid" - a beginning of a system
« on: April 13, 2016, 12:11:33 AM »
I mostly play the dozens and have been doing well with it with my own approach. If I see a dozen that hasnt appeared after 4 times, I place a series of 3 bets. \$2, \$3, \$4. If I dont win those 3 times I stop and look for the next gap of dozens. It is It is not get rich, but Im always ahead after a bit of play. I like the fact I wont ever get wiped out.ed out.

Ive been thinking that if I play the dozens, why not divide the board up further by playing both the dozens & the columns at the same time? Has this been researched? I have just started researching this.

Today I made a simple grid of both the dozens & columns. My grid looks like a tic-tac-toe board.... a 3x3 grid. For example, box one would be the numbers 1,4,7,10.... box two would be 13,16,19,22 and so on. Box nine would 27,30,33,36. I hope this makes sense. If not I can draw it out.

Right now I'm just gathering information on this system idea. So I spin and for now I just mark when a dozen/column box hits. After just 20 spins I can see patterns forming. Some dozen/column combos rarely hit, and some hit often. After hundreds of spins the grid is more honest. Some combos hit & and some dont.

I played around with the ideas in my head... 1000 bankroll. A pattern emerged. box #1 (1,4,7,10) was hitting all the time. I decided to bet on it. How to bet on it I thought? I decided to place two 2 number bets... 1/4 and 7/10. After a few misses I doubled those bets. A couple more misses so I doubled them again. BOOM. I hit some good money. I decided to change strategy on this crazy idea. Now Im betting on the two most popular dozen/column boxes. The martingale doubling brought me up to 1200 units, then dropped me down 300 units and now Im 1900 units.

NOW WHAT!?

I have to think about how to protect bankroll by not martingaling. I admit its fun to double my money in 15 minutes

My mind is racing 100 miles an hour right now. You all know what I mean. You have a new idea, it feels like it has potential... this is part of the thrill of roulette!!!

Reality sinks in. I just realized that I was betting on areas that were HOT and hitting often, which is contrary to my typical dozens strategy of waiting for 4 dozens misses in a row. Now Im thinking about employing a bet on the dozens that hit often, not the ones that miss often. My mind says... why would I want to bet on ones that dont hit often? Does it matter? Has my roulette life been spun around??

Going forward there are a few things I want to work on...

- instead of betting on just the boxes I see hitting often, focus on which hit/miss often and in what order.
- reduce or remove martingale & focus on staying in the game
- play both hit often and miss often ways
- incorporate my dozens strategy into the box (dozens/columns) strategy & find the sweet spot on the boxes

Thoughts? Ideas? Suggestions? Thank you all!!
« Last Edit: April 13, 2016, 12:16:13 AM by Jake007 »

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#### kav

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##### Re: "The Grid" - a beginning of a system
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2016, 12:29:22 AM »
I just want to say that I love this post.
I may come back with more after I give your post some more thought.

#### Reyth

##### Re: "The Grid" - a beginning of a system
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2016, 01:09:33 AM »
I believe Scepticus has done quite a bit of research on the dozens-columns combos and also employs a flat betting strategy.

I like the way you are thinking about "mixing it up" with both hot and cold numbers.  I think that's the way to go!

#### scepticus

##### Re: "The Grid" - a beginning of a system
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2016, 01:53:46 AM »
I mostly play the dozens and have been doing well with it with my own approach. If I see a dozen that hasnt appeared after 4 times, I place a series of 3 bets. \$2, \$3, \$4. If I dont win those 3 times I stop and look for the next gap of dozens. It is It is not get rich, but Im always ahead after a bit of play. I like the fact I wont ever get wiped out.ed out.

Ive been thinking that if I play the dozens, why not divide the board up further by playing both the dozens & the columns at the same time? Has this been researched? I have just started researching this.

Today I made a simple grid of both the dozens & columns. My grid looks like a tic-tac-toe board.... a 3x3 grid. For example, box one would be the numbers 1,4,7,10.... box two would be 13,16,19,22 and so on. Box nine would 27,30,33,36. I hope this makes sense. If not I can draw it out.

Right now I'm just gathering information on this system idea. So I spin and for now I just mark when a dozen/column box hits. After just 20 spins I can see patterns forming. Some dozen/column combos rarely hit, and some hit often. After hundreds of spins the grid is more honest. Some combos hit & and some dont.

I played around with the ideas in my head... 1000 bankroll. A pattern emerged. box #1 (1,4,7,10) was hitting all the time. I decided to bet on it. How to bet on it I thought? I decided to place two 2 number bets... 1/4 and 7/10. After a few misses I doubled those bets. A couple more misses so I doubled them again. BOOM. I hit some good money. I decided to change strategy on this crazy idea. Now Im betting on the two most popular dozen/column boxes. The martingale doubling brought me up to 1200 units, then dropped me down 300 units and now Im 1900 units.

NOW WHAT!?

I have to think about how to protect bankroll by not martingaling. I admit its fun to double my money in 15 minutes

My mind is racing 100 miles an hour right now. You all know what I mean. You have a new idea, it feels like it has potential... this is part of the thrill of roulette!!!

Reality sinks in. I just realized that I was betting on areas that were HOT and hitting often, which is contrary to my typical dozens strategy of waiting for 4 dozens misses in a row. Now Im thinking about employing a bet on the dozens that hit often, not the ones that miss often. My mind says... why would I want to bet on ones that dont hit often? Does it matter? Has my roulette life been spun around??

Going forward there are a few things I want to work on...

- instead of betting on just the boxes I see hitting often, focus on which hit/miss often and in what order.
- reduce or remove martingale & focus on staying in the game
- play both hit often and miss often ways
- incorporate my dozens strategy into the box (dozens/columns) strategy & find the sweet spot on the boxes

Thoughts? Ideas? Suggestions? Thank you all!!

Hi Jake
I posted a similar idea.
You will find it in my Scep's Roulette Strategies thread in "Roulette Systems" P16
" Great Minds Think Alike " or " Fools Seldom Differ "  ?
The best of luck with your idea .

#### Jake007

##### Re: "The Grid" - a beginning of a system
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2016, 02:08:35 AM »
Scepticus... I just saw that! Specifically, the 1,4,7,10 box idea. Very interesting. I'll have to read it in more depth.

How would I go about betting on the "box"?

- two 2 number bets that are within the "box'
- all 4 numbers in the box individually

#### Trilobite

##### Re: "The Grid" - a beginning of a system
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2016, 03:09:39 AM »
The only difference between dozens & columns is that dozens are far easier to track and play, so why bother with columns?

Just bet twice as much on the dozens.

#### Jake007

##### Re: "The Grid" - a beginning of a system
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2016, 03:13:30 AM »
The only difference between dozens & columns is that dozens are far easier to track and play, so why bother with columns?

Im doing a number of things. Some ideas floating around here, like Thomas Hex idea (while not spelled out at all) seems to help him bet on both dozens and columns. I dont know I dont quite understand it yet I think one might work better than the other on any given day so why not exploit that option. Also, if Im betting dozens to help pinpoint bets, why not look closer and narrow my bet selection even further by using both dozens and columns at the same time.

#### Trilobite

##### Re: "The Grid" - a beginning of a system
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2016, 05:48:07 AM »
From experience, I'm of the opinion you can overshoot your mark by cross filtering too many parameters.

As I mentioned in another thread, In the very long run probability is a slave to the maths and absolutely concrete.

What that means is, whether you focus down to 1/37 or remain more elastic at say 18/37 the probability of winning remains relatively the same, it's just more spread out at the 1/37 end.

Why would you want to spread it out any more than you have to given it's gonna take a whole lot of bets to make any headway at all?
« Last Edit: April 13, 2016, 06:36:38 AM by Trilobite »

#### Geoffrey

##### Re: "The Grid" - a beginning of a system
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2016, 12:12:28 PM »
I'll follow this topic with interest cause my playing strategy also involves dozen bet selection. I guess several people actually do this and add their own personal twist to it. I'm currently studying something/Observing. i will keep this for the topic i started. So the discussion here can go further without any other strategy coming in between it.

Regards

#### palestis

##### Re: "The Grid" - a beginning of a system
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2016, 01:04:14 PM »
I mostly play the dozens and have been doing well with it with my own approach. If I see a dozen that hasnt appeared after 4 times, I place a series of 3 bets. \$2, \$3, \$4. If I dont win those 3 times I stop and look for the next gap of dozens. It is It is not get rich, but Im always ahead after a bit of play. I like the fact I wont ever get wiped out.ed out.

Ive been thinking that if I play the dozens, why not divide the board up further by playing both the dozens & the columns at the same time? Has this been researched? I have just started researching this.
If the missing dozen system works for you (min. 4 absences of a dozen), y not play the columns the same way? Meaning after seeing a column missing for at least 4 spins you bet that column the same way you bet the dozen ( \$2,\$3,\$4) .
It should make no difference in the rate of success since you bet a homogeneous group of 12 numbers. ( 12 numbers lined up in a specific way). Combining a missing dozen with a simultaneously missing column, restricts the bet to only 4 numbers.
You can't expect to hit both at the same time so easily , because betting 4 numbers is different than betting 12 numbers.
In a B+M casino walking around and observing the tables, you are likely to find very fast, a roulette  that has a dozen or a column missing at least for 4 spins. And if it's missing for 8 spins you are not going to reject it. You can also see a dozen missing for 3 spins. In that case you wait for another spin
to complete the trigger of 4 misses. In  an online casino you can't do that.
You have to be on standby until you see this condition.
Walking around the tables in a real casino, you are likely to find this condition every 3 minutes.
So you start betting  whichever comes first. Dozen or column.
More frequent bets, leads to sharper rising of the profits.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2016, 01:15:43 PM by palestis »

#### Reyth

##### Re: "The Grid" - a beginning of a system
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2016, 01:24:21 PM »

In a B+M casino walking around and observing the tables, you are likely to find very fast, a roulette  that has a dozen or a column missing at least for 4 spins. And if it's missing for 8 spins you are not going to reject it. You can also see a dozen missing for 3 spins. In that case you wait for another spin
to complete the trigger of 4 misses. In  an online casino you can't do that.
You have to be on standby until you see this condition.

I believe that online casinos exist with a multi-wheel play?

#### Jake007

##### Re: "The Grid" - a beginning of a system
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2016, 01:40:39 PM »
I believe that online casinos exist with a multi-wheel play?

Possibly, or can simply have a few different casinos open in different browsers.

#### Jake007

##### Re: "The Grid" - a beginning of a system
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2016, 01:57:54 PM »
If the missing dozen system works for you (min. 4 absences of a dozen), y not play the columns the same way? Meaning after seeing a column missing for at least 4 spins you bet that column the same way you bet the dozen ( \$2,\$3,\$4) .
It should make no difference in the rate of success since you bet a homogeneous group of 12 numbers. ( 12 numbers lined up in a specific way). Combining a missing dozen with a simultaneously missing column, restricts the bet to only 4 numbers.
You can't expect to hit both at the same time so easily , because betting 4 numbers is different than betting 12 numbers.

There are a couple of ways to play this.

If my sweet spot for dozens is 3 bets after four missing dozens, I can simply play the columns in the same manner. After four missing columns I can begin betting as well.

What Im thinking in the grand picture of this revelation, is finding the sweet spot for  the combination of the two dozens and columns. Maybe that four number box combo hits after 10 missing "boxes' and I employ a 4 step betting process. Who knows right now what all the sweet spots are and that is what I will be working on.

I have tweaked my own dozens plan for my own situation = I usually only gamble \$100/100 units at a time & I must protect bankroll by not making huge bets to try to save my ass. Trying to save my ass never works, I have learned that lesson. This keeps my bet units low. I have found the sweet spot for betting on dozens and that is = \$2,\$3,\$4. So this means a \$2 bet profits \$3, a \$3 bet profits \$3 and a \$4 bet profits \$2. Its the maximum profit target for a 3 bet progression.

OK, now I will focus on the sweet spots for my box method a develop the betting strategy for it.

#### kav

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##### Re: "The Grid" - a beginning of a system
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2016, 02:38:22 PM »
Jake,

If I understand you correctly, the thing here is that you have discovered an interesting way to track past results but you are not so sure how to interpret and take advantage of this tracking method. Am I reading you correctly?
« Last Edit: April 13, 2016, 06:19:05 PM by kav »

#### Jake007

##### Re: "The Grid" - a beginning of a system
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2016, 04:35:22 PM »
Jake,

If I understand you correctly, the thing here is that you have discovered an interesting way to track and past results but you are not so sure how to interpret and take advantage of this tracking method. Am I reading you correctly?

The bottom line is I normally bet on just dozens. My plan is to combine both the dozens and columns bet. Instead of betting on 12 numbers, I will be looking for the sweet spot of just 4 numbers.