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#### DrTalos

##### To all mathematician here
« on: January 20, 2016, 05:43:55 PM »
how is mathematically speaking odds of a single number to miss for 249 spins?

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#### Mike

##### Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2016, 07:01:37 PM »
(36/37)249 = 0.0011 or 1 in 918

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#### DrTalos

##### Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2016, 07:28:18 PM »
Thank you. much appreciated.

#### Real

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##### Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2016, 07:32:53 PM »
Now here's the big question for the system junkies.

After a number has gone missing for 249 spins, do you feel that it's  more likely to hit than the other numbers that have been hitting?

What do you feel the probability is that it could go another 249 spins?

#### DrTalos

##### Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2016, 07:55:58 PM »
No, real, question is another. If your sistem gains 1 unit a game, and you can aspect that once in 918 you lose, if the system costs you like, so to speak, 356 units to cover that 249 spins, seems to me you have something in your hands. Am I wrong?

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##### Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2016, 08:49:28 PM »
Sorry Dr. Talos,

But yes, you're wrong. In the random game of roulette your system can not win even a fraction of a unit in the long run.
This is handily proven mathematically.
Exceptions are systems that attempt to exploit the non random wheel rather than the random game.  Roulette is beaten by exploiting the wheel, not the layout.

Just the facts,

-Really

#### dobbelsteen

##### Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2016, 09:16:04 PM »
DrTalos Real knows a lot about the features of wheels It is impossible to explain him the difference between a system and a strategy.
All systems have e chance on a profit or a loss within a short run sample.
The short run sample for the numbers is more than 1M spins. The player can Always finih his sample with a profit The wheel must turn infinity  and the player can stop at any moment

#### Bebediktus

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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2016, 09:27:32 PM »
Real, when you will have time, look to your skype i left some message to you..

#### DrTalos

##### Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2016, 09:28:57 PM »
Sorry for you. I respect the democracy of opinions but the tiranny of facts say to me that in the last 18 months I cashed an average of 22/25 thousand \$ a month with my system, so I respectfully don't care a bit what you Sapiens believe or know.
My question was because Reyth system (bullseye) make me work on the idea of a single number progression, so I just asked, politely.
As I sayd, I appreciated the answer.

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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2016, 11:28:06 PM »
Sorry for you. I respect the democracy of opinions but the tiranny of facts say to me that in the last 18 months I cashed an average of 22/25 thousand \$ a month with my system, so I respectfully don't care a bit what you Sapiens believe or know.
My question was because Reyth system (bullseye) make me work on the idea of a single number progression, so I just asked, politely.
As I sayd, I appreciated the answer.

Dr Talos,
If you are looking for a method to bet a single number or just a few numbers, you might want to check this topic.

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#### DrTalos

##### Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2016, 12:05:01 AM »
Thank you bluangel. I do not look for a new system. As I said, I was amused by the challenge to find a better solution than the one proposed by Reyth. I figure out a progression that last equivalent of 249 spins with a need for a single hit to be victorious, and the bankroll required of 355 units.
As each and every system I like, gains merely one unit a game, but the majority of games last few spins, so I asked For some math. If the system takes a loss every 900 games, grossly, means that I have a positive balance of 555 units.
If this is the true, it will be the second system in my personal portfolio (not really, because I didn't test this for more than a couple thousands spins, so so far it is just theoretical for me).

Any system that requires more than 1000 units as bankroll, will be discharged by me immediatly. Sorry for that.

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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2016, 12:45:53 AM »
Thank you bluangel. I do not look for a new system. As I said, I was amused by the challenge to find a better solution than the one proposed by Reyth. I figure out a progression that last equivalent of 249 spins with a need for a single hit to be victorious, and the bankroll required of 355 units.
As each and every system I like, gains merely one unit a game, but the majority of games last few spins, so I asked For some math. If the system takes a loss every 900 games, grossly, means that I have a positive balance of 555 units.
If this is the true, it will be the second system in my personal portfolio (not really, because I didn't test this for more than a couple thousands spins, so so far it is just theoretical for me).

Any system that requires more than 1000 units as bankroll, will be discharged by me immediatly. Sorry for that.

I do understand that any system of play which requires more than 1000 units is a bit not practical, the same goes for any method which requires a lot of time  in regards with its possible profit.

In other words there must be a balance between risk, reward and time.
By saying non practical doesn't necessarily means a losing method but an unbalanced way.

Balance comes from: wins - losses = balance, then compare this balance with the total amount of money and time you invest in the game and you finally realize how much balanced is a method.

Profitable and practical is two different things, some overvalue the simplicity and perhaps is a good element but it isn't equivalent to positive results.
I truly believe that not everything is for everyone...some people may be good in some certain aspects of life, while others on different things, so the same exists in roulette game, some overvalue the simplicity perhaps because they cannot use more complicated strategies and they are doing very well because this way "they don't bite more than they can chew".

If you ask me, I value results over simplicity, if a strategy is complex but rewarding then I'd train myself in order to make it my second nature.

No need for apologies mr Talos, point well taken!:-)

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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2016, 01:05:07 AM »
Dr. Talos,

At this point you guys are merely gambling.   In time your luck will run out as the house edge consumes your bankroll.

Sorry, just the facts,

-Really

You wish for it, keep on wishing!

Perhaps according your perspective all gamblers around the world are the same mindless beings, but like in every other aspect of life you cannot judge ALL by what is doing the MAJORITY, which by the way is why the casinos are getting richer all the time.

#### DrTalos

##### Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2016, 01:27:45 AM »
Ok real, some facts:
I go to casinos for three/four days a week. I play around 8 hours a day, and I see grossly 600 spins, gaining around 1500/1800 \$ a day. My systems total bankroll is 950 units (never been close to that. The worst game touched a 590 units). For my basic bet, 3000\$.
You say that something that has never happen in the last 18 months (grossly my last 200 visits to casinos) will happen tomorrow, making me lose 3000\$. And, moreover, from tomorrow it will be a rule, and I will lose 3000\$ a day for the next year.
Are you joking?
I have no idea why you keep reading posts here and trying to put everyone down with your "unbeatable math". I don't care (already said that). You can believe what you want. If you are sure, let's make a bet. Bring in a casino 25000\$. I will do the same. I play my system for any reasonable amount of time you want. You fix the limits. If I win, I take your 25000\$ (without explaining you the system). If I bust, you take my money.
Deal?

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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2016, 01:41:24 AM »
Ok real, some facts:
I go to casinos for three/four days a week. I play around 8 hours a day, and I see grossly 600 spins, gaining around 1500/1800 \$ a day. My systems total bankroll is 950 units (never been close to that. The worst game touched a 590 units). For my basic bet, 3000\$.
You say that something that has never happen in the last 18 months (grossly my last 200 visits to casinos) will happen tomorrow, making me lose 3000\$. And, moreover, from tomorrow it will be a rule, and I will lose 3000\$ a day for the next year.
Are you joking?
I have no idea why you keep reading posts here and trying to put everyone down with your "unbeatable math". I don't care (already said that). You can believe what you want. If you are sure, let's make a bet. Bring in a casino 25000\$. I will do the same. I play my system for any reasonable amount of time you want. You fix the limits. If I win, I take your 25000\$ (without explaining you the system). If I bust, you take my money.
Deal?

Dr Talos, you put money where your mouth is, but Real is only about empty words...thus don't expect him to do anything else rather than blaming everyone (including you) about their wrong mentality!LOL

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