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#### Rourke

##### Betting against a sequence of spins
« on: January 14, 2016, 01:02:01 PM »
Hi,

Let me start off by saying, that this is my first post in this forum. I've been reading a lot of interesting posts from this forum and I've been very much inspired by the different ideas and discussions. So I think it's time I gave something back to this community.

I've been working on a system for some weeks now and after some initial testing, I would like to view your comments and ideas about this.

Basically the system involves betting against a certain sequence or an event in Roulette. Let's say for instance, that RED, BLACK, RED, BLACK appear in the next 4 spins. After this event, we start to monitor the next 3 spins on our roulette table. For arguments sake, we say that the next 3 spins are RED, BLACK, RED. This event matches the three spins of the previous event. We now assume that the previous event will not appear again in this current event. So for the next spin we bet against BLACK, and place our money on RED.

Now, there is an "equal" chance that the ball will land on either RED or BLACK - Both have a 18/37 chance on a European Table. However, the chance of the previous event (RED, BLACK, RED, BLACK) appearing once again is only 1/16 - There are 16 different combinations for RED and BLACK in a four spin sequence. So by betting against this event, we should have a much greater chance on placing our bet successfully... Or?

So basically, the above bet goes as follows:

1. Wait for 4 consecutive spins and write down the RED/BLACK sequence for these spins. For instance, RED, BLACK, RED, BLACK

2. Wait for the next 3 consecutive spins and write down the RED/BLACK sequence.

3. If the next 3 spins are RED, BLACK, RED, you place your bet on RED - Betting against BLACK, which was the 4th spin in our first sequence.

4. If your next 3 consecutive spins do not match the previous 4 spins you start back from step 1.

As I wrote earlier, I've been doing some initial testing. My test results however, is not that impressive. For a 100 spin session I managed to bet on a sequence of 4 RED/BLACK and I've lost 2 out of 4 times. This doesn’t quite fit with my expectation, that a sequence of 4 RED/BLACK will only repeat 1 every 16th. spin.

My testing has been done on RNG wheels and numbers from random.org. So no live betting yet.

The above bet can be played with all evens, dozens and columns and even streets and six’s. The range of spins can also vary from 4 to 6 or down to 3, depending on how much patience you have.

For instance, betting against dozens in a 5 sequence spin could look like: 1st, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, 1st. So we bet against this combination and if the ball lands on the following sequence in the next 4 spins - 1st, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd - We bet against the 5th spin - 1st - And place our bets on 2nd and 3rd.

I think this is a very interesting approach to roulette, since you are betting against a sequence of spins and not on a single spin, like betting just on BLACK or 2 Dozen. However, one could also argue that betting on the same 2 Dozen is also betting on a sequence of spins, since it would be very rare if a dozen was hit more than 6 times in a row.

But despite this, I would very much like to hear your constructive criticism and your ideas on how to further develop this approach and make it into a working system.

Thank you - James

#### Reyth

##### Re: Betting against a sequence of spins
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2016, 01:57:23 PM »
Your method has been studied deeply and implemented with success by Dobblesteen in this forum.  Have you seen his blog in the casino lounge?

Btw, he has a system where he always bets 10 spins back that the next 10 spins will NOT duplicate the last 10 spins.

Thanks for posting!

#### Rourke

##### Re: Betting against a sequence of spins
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2016, 02:20:52 PM »
Hi Reyth

Thanks for your feedback. I've read some of Dobblesteen blog posts in regards to betting against previous spins. What I can't quite figure out is, how he does it.

Let's say for instance that the following 10 spin sequence for RED/BLACK occur:

RED, RED, RED, BLACK, RED, BLACK, RED, BLACK, BLACK, RED

How should I bet against this sequence? Should I start from the beginning and just bet against all 10 spins with a progression? Or should I wait for like 3 spins to see if RED, RED, RED occur before betting against black?

Thanks - James

#### Reyth

##### Re: Betting against a sequence of spins
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2016, 02:30:29 PM »
Well I'm not Dobble but I have tried some of his methods.  Using the sequence (assuming the far right is the most recent spin):

RED, RED, RED, BLACK, RED, BLACK, RED, BLACK, BLACK, RED

You would bet the opposite of the 10th spin back which in this case is BLACK.  You just keep betting the opposite of the 10th spin back and the only way you lose 10 times in a row is if the sequence repeats itself.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2016, 02:32:29 PM by Reyth »

#### Rourke

##### Re: Betting against a sequence of spins
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2016, 03:05:23 PM »
That is an interesting approach and I'm definitely going to play around with this, when I get home from work.

However, I would say that Dobbles method differ from mine. Whereas he bet's on the whole sequence of 10 spins, I only bet on the last spin, if the other spins correspond with the previous sequence of spins.

#### Reyth

##### Re: Betting against a sequence of spins
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2016, 03:16:26 PM »
Right, well his system has an advantage in that it never has to wait for a trigger.  But yes your system is different because you are only betting against a sequence of 3.

Btw have you checked out the post by Blue Angel on the "Near Infallible" betting method?  It has some interesting B/R analysis you might like?
« Last Edit: January 14, 2016, 03:20:31 PM by Reyth »

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##### Re: Betting against a sequence of spins
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2016, 03:46:18 PM »
Well I'm not Dobble but I have tried some of his methods.  Using the sequence (assuming the far right is the most recent spin):

RED, RED, RED, BLACK, RED, BLACK, RED, BLACK, BLACK, RED

You would bet the opposite of the 10th spin back which in this case is BLACK.  You just keep betting the opposite of the 10th spin back and the only way you lose 10 times in a row is if the sequence repeats itself.

Well when you want to answer, first you should know what you are talking about...betting against last results it was me who first post it on this forum, check it here: Possible Holy Grail??!
However, neither me is the creator of this system.

#### Mike

##### Re: Betting against a sequence of spins
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2016, 03:58:22 PM »
Hi Rourke,

Now, there is an "equal" chance that the ball will land on either RED or BLACK - Both have a 18/37 chance on a European Table.

Absolutely correct.

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However, the chance of the previous event (RED, BLACK, RED, BLACK) appearing once again is only 1/16 - There are 16 different combinations for RED and BLACK in a four spin sequence. So by betting against this event, we should have a much greater chance on placing our bet successfully... Or?

Unfortunately not. The fact that the pattern has partially repeated doesn't indicate that the next spin will favor red more than black, or vice-versa. What's happened in the past cannot influence the probability of any future event. That's why there is no contradiction between the equal chance of red and black (which you just admitted is the case) and the fact that the chance of the sequence is only 1/16.

#### Reyth

##### Re: Betting against a sequence of spins
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2016, 04:07:06 PM »
LOL he is not talking about the next spin, only you are Mike.

#### Rourke

##### Re: Betting against a sequence of spins
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2016, 04:18:15 PM »
Yes Reyth, I’ve read Blue Angels post in regards to the near infallible betting method. What put me off, was the bankroll. But I should investigate this method further.

And thanks Blue… I actually wasn’t aware, you made a previous post in regards to betting against a sequence. I can read, that our methods are much alike.

#### Mike

##### Re: Betting against a sequence of spins
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2016, 04:27:43 PM »
LOL he is not talking about the next spin, only you are Mike.

You can only bet on the next spin, not the next sequence of spins.

#### Rourke

##### Re: Betting against a sequence of spins
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2016, 04:28:31 PM »
I must agree with you Mike! I’ve been so caught up in low probability of betting against a certain pattern, that I missed the obvious part, where previous spins doesn’t influence future spins

The same can be said about just betting on either RED or BLACK. The chance of hitting red is 18/36. So we must assume that RED will at least appear 4 times in 10 spins.

However, this is not the case. I read somewhere, that you can expect RED to hit at least 35 times in 200 spins. So much for the probability of 18/36 :-)

#### BlueAngel

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##### Re: Betting against a sequence of spins
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2016, 04:30:42 PM »
Yes Reyth, I’ve read Blue Angels post in regards to the near infallible betting method. What put me off, was the bankroll. But I should investigate this method further.

And thanks Blue… I actually wasn’t aware, you made a previous post in regards to betting against a sequence. I can read, that our methods are much alike.

Actually this is where Dobbel copied this method, back then I've not claimed it as mine,never did.
Reyth you should knew better by now who is posting what.
Don't you supposed to be moderator?
Don't mislead people with false infos and by the way what ''very near the infallible method'' describes it's different from what it's here or on ''Possible Holy Grail??!''

#### Reyth

##### Re: Betting against a sequence of spins
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2016, 04:32:26 PM »
LOL he is not talking about the next spin, only you are Mike.

You can only bet on the next spin, not the next sequence of spins.

Ya think!?  Ok fine.  You are the only one that is ANALYZING only the next spin.

#### Rourke

##### Re: Betting against a sequence of spins
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2016, 09:29:17 PM »
Well Blue Angel! I've tried your Holy Grail and so far it works amazing :-) I've done 200 spins on RNG and 400 spins from Random.org and it's all profit. I used both Labouchere and Martingale.

The Labouchere is most steady, but the Martingale is the most profitable, though there are a few high bets sometimes.

This system is actually something I would consider using live!

Thanks - James