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#### Jesper

##### Bread and butter EC-play?
« on: August 04, 2019, 08:09:35 AM »

I try here a method which is used by an old player.
The bankroll (total) is 50000 SEK and the winnings are not added to it.
The winnings he use to add to his retirement money, as SEK 100 a day
make some difference.  If he used 100 a day from this money, it would last
about 1.5 years, witout interest (which the bank here do not pay).
He think they may last longer, using his method of play.
He has about six month left to prove it. And as he like the game and
is single, he have always something to do, and exercise the brain.
He uses some GF, as he first check for a "streaky" table, and play
follow the last color. The method lose a chip a spin, until a win.
He think a streaky table will produce long enough wins to catch up a downdrown.
He place one chip on the last fallen color, if win the session and sometimes the day play is over.
When he lose he use a progression (positive), and only to catch up, otherwise bet just one.
The progression is Grand Martingal. If back say 5 units, after a win it is 4.
Then he bet 3 next spin, if lose revert to one, if a win bet enough to come 1 plus, or max
7 units. If we bet G martingale as positive progression 1,3,7,15,31,63...
We will recover over 100 spins on a short winning streak, hence he looks for
a "streaky" table, or wait it in. The "chops" is not wanted.

I do this on line as I can not visit a live casino every day.
And I can not hunt "streaky" tables.

We follow the last color. Bank is SEK 50000 the stake is SEK 100. Min for outside at the casino. The zero pays half back.
We try to get SEK 100 a session or visit.
1. 19  100   end of day/session.
2. 7,34,28,28  100
3. 13,19,27,7  100
4. 14          100
5. 24          100
6. 21,33,26,22 100
7. 35,31,19,2,10,7,8,32,33,2,31  100
8. 9    100
9. 19,32,31,18,36,22,14,19,16,6,22,0,5,16,28,10,27,8,36,31,4,31,3,17,22,10   50 (only zero pay back).
10. 28  100

I think this is a days play, 10 trials, 9 win and one break even, but payback from zero.
SEK 950.

It is not hard to see, we win often, a rfh is possible. We can be in a situation we are
a lot back, and need a winning streak of 10, betting  1,3,7,15,31,63,127,254,511,1025.
That means a very long losing streak as we pay a chip a spin until we win.
We need this streak if we lose about 2000 spins. The bank of 500 u is too small for
that case. The table limit is very close. If this will happen, we have to be very
unlucky, already three wins in a row recover 1,3,7, eleven failed spins.
four in a row recover 1,3,7,15  26 failed spins, and it grows rapid. We
almost can expect 9 wins in a row in 1000 spins, but this can happen at the
time we are not deep in the hole, and do not get any "use" of it.
It may hold for  doubling the bank, but have to fail at some point.
If we could filter chops, the method would work always.

I am afraid I tip him once of the method. If he lose today, he will
lose less than 20000, 30000 he have used the last year. His bank is
still 50000. I hope he will have it floating at least so long
he anyhow have spent it. He play colors as he can better see
the difference on the board.

I will try this more, but not as today, using SEK 100 (~10 Euro).
I will have 500 Euro and bet 1 from here. I do not want to
risk too much.

Try some a day as the man, and see how far it will hold.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2019, 08:25:35 AM by Jesper »

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#### Jesper

##### Re: Bread and butter EC-play?
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2019, 08:24:49 AM »
Switched to lower units SEK 10. Have no payback on zero.

Did ten new sessions, all worked out in a few spins. bet 3 at most

Got SEK 100 total.

#### Jesper

##### Re: Bread and butter EC-play?
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2019, 09:06:58 AM »
10 more session, one was 39 spins and the bet 26 units, count wrong bet a bit more than needed.
Got 4 units in that session.

Got SEK 130.

When we bet 31 units and fail, we lose still 1 unit a spin, the previous wins, make up -1 a spin.

1,3,7,15,31  We win 1 3 7 15 before the loss of 31.  We should bet just enough to get 1 u as win, and then the average cost pro spin is lower than 1 unit. first successful  progression wins the session. Near half is one spin.

#### Jesper

##### Re: Bread and butter EC-play?
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2019, 09:23:35 AM »
Yet an other ten played.  Got SEK 100.
The first figure is the wins, second the number of spins.
10 7
10 1
10 1
10 5
10 1
10 5
10 1
10 1
10 18
10 1

#### Jesper

##### Re: Bread and butter EC-play?
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2019, 09:39:11 AM »
The last for today, few spins.

10    18
10    1
10    1
10    10
10    1
10    1
10    1
10    1
10    1
10    4

#### scepticus

##### Re: Bread and butter EC-play?
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2019, 11:36:15 AM »
Jesper
Have you settled on a method of your own yet ?
Incidentally, a positive progression uses a Parlay not a Martingale .

#### Jesper

##### Re: Bread and butter EC-play?
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2019, 11:53:45 AM »
I mix the methods I use, there is not ONE.  It is a positive progression, as we do not increase the bets on a loss, it is on a win, but only if you have lost. The progression makes the cost 1 chip a spin until it wins (or bust).

It is not an up as you lose, it is up as you win, if on debt.

A parlay is bet the win, the reversed GM is used here, if used only if in debt, it cost 1 unit a spin even if you fail a bet of 511 u.

The method end the game on first sucsseful progression, if any as it can end the first bet as the 1234th.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2019, 12:12:24 PM by Jesper »

#### Jesper

##### Re: Bread and butter EC-play?
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2019, 11:54:46 AM »

10    6
10    4
10    8
10    3
10    4
10    1
10    1
10    6
10   11
10    3
--------------------------
10    1
10    9
10    1
10    1
10    4
10    1
10    3
10    3
10    1
10    3
----------------------------
10    1
10    1
10    1
10   28
10    5
10    8
10    1
10   77
The numbers show much chops, short streaks, until the end. 7 blacks and 1 to 31 chips on win bets.
recover far more than down which was 77 chips SEK 770 in one streak, last was conservative (3) could be 63 chips.
and the down would been 78 if a loss.
28 4 6 10 6 24 35 23 2 13 14 27 36 24 5 23 21 11 33 8 5 5 10 7 27 10 6 28 29 14 18 9 2 15 0 4 9 8 19 27 25 10 13

23 34 13 34 22 0 4 26 21 36 24 8 14 26 8 34 12 17 32 14 5 32 33 20 3 11 31 3 5 35 2 32 8 23 (number reversed).

I do not know how to filter chops, if that were possible, we will win every time.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2019, 12:15:38 PM by Jesper »

#### Jesper

##### Re: Bread and butter EC-play?
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2019, 01:40:46 PM »

So far so good!  We must know the wheel can kill any staking plan, this will survive until we need a streak of too many of the same, or we must win over 10 times in a row.  Such win can happen, and happens in around 1000 spins, but never think it must happen It happen about the same as the common  martingal er bust, we will be saved .  The upside is we can survive in a  bad case so many spins we got units.
If we have 500 units, it will not end before 500 spins, be safe chip down and use 2000 units, a bust may come if we lose all the time until the bank is gone.  We protect the bank, with some financial help from the casino, opposite to an up as you lose progression, there they player pay to the bank, which risk an unit.

10     1
10    20
10     1
10     1
10     1
10     1
10    22
10     3
10     1
10    15
10     1
10     7
10     4
10    14
10     4

#### Jesper

##### Re: Bread and butter EC-play?
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2019, 07:37:52 AM »
I got quite a few winnings, but some of the sessions show it can be hard. The last I did went 180 spins. It is a downdrown of  SEK 1800. I was close to stop it, but decide to go to 200 spins. At the  180th spin it change to a streak of nine black. Nine black can recover   1  3 7 15 31 63 127 255 511 units (over 1000).  I did not use more than to save the session, betting the last spins at lower stake than the progression. If I have lost the last spins, I would have some shorter streak to win later.

11 4 20 8 13 8 35 35 6 7 11 2 7 7 17 8 23 22 23 19 35 9 25 1 32 0 0 2 20 33 24 7 28 34 0 15 19 15 20 36 30 12 21 0 12 2 15 3 10 7 25 15 31 27 32 11 29 7 34 1 30 18 0 13 26 4 24 15 5 2 7 8 28 32 29 3 30 36 23 17 2 22 33 19 0 23 31 0 26 28 12 20 32 30 22 35 5 31 6 18 20 30 23 35 33 19 18 33 4 34 18 4 31 28 25 28 17 21 31 22 31 19 10 36 10 12 0 0 24 25 4 36 20 5 31 10 20 4 7 20 33 36 27 5 33 14 18 34 6 32 14 21 11 36 9 16 28 1 6 6 1 6 21 31 7 4 3 2 0 1 18 15 15 34 35 9 1 35 22 12 34 30 6 28 5 10 13 1

If we not win in a couple of hundred spins, we need a longer winning streak, that is always possible, but never sure. At some point we have to give it up, and take a loss, or risk a large sum.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2019, 07:40:22 AM by Jesper »

#### scepticus

##### Re: Bread and butter EC-play?
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2019, 02:59:42 PM »

" It is not an up as you lose, it is up as you win, if on debt. "

" When he lose he use a progression (positive), and only to catch up, otherwise bet just one. "
??

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#### Jesper

##### Re: Bread and butter EC-play?
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2019, 03:12:08 PM »
Yes, only one, if back, try a streak.

Got some 100 wins in a row,

In aprogression like  1,3,7,15,31,63.......
We lose a chip a spin, when we win at last it is a streak of win,  6 wins recoup a lot.

About half is just one spin, and most are afew, the hard once, can take 300 spins or more, but a streak of wins make it up.  WE LOSE A CHIP A SPIN, until we win.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2019, 03:19:29 PM by Jesper »

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#### Jesper

##### Re: Bread and butter EC-play?
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2019, 03:29:42 PM »
If we use a positive progression with G Martingale, every spin has a price of one unit, regardless of a single spin which can have 511, or often less. If we are back so much as 1000 after 1000 spins, we recover with a moderat streak, which use to happen in 1000 spins,   1,3,7,15,31,63,127,255...   A win 7 to 10  times in a row is not uncommon i 1000 spins.  Most is faster.  (We can lose, if all is against us).

#### Jesper

##### Re: Bread and butter EC-play?
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2019, 07:53:18 PM »
50 units in 235 spins.  Highest bet 31.    We ground bet must be so low, the table limit will not stop us. I played at a casino where  it is no risk for this matter with 1Euro chips.

#### scepticus

##### Re: Bread and butter EC-play?
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2019, 08:33:27 PM »

" It is not an up as you lose, it is up as you win, if on debt. "

" When he lose he use a progression (positive), and only to catch up, otherwise bet just one. "
??
But WHICH ONE Jesper.? Don't they contradict each other ?

and.. if he increases only  after a win does he  use a Marty ?  I don't see the point of using a Marty after a win .A  Marty is usually   used  only after a loss - a form of chasing losses .