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Third

Re: Using corner bets and positive progression.
« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2019, 08:17:33 AM »
You can do calculations and lower the chips but it will take time and you don't have that when you bet.

O_o

You only play live lightning wheel?

I play RNG so I take all the time to look at the chart, look at the performance of the other selections and decide how to lower, if it is necessary.

I either lower by 1/2 (round down) or entirely, which is an easy calculation. :)
 

boyd30

Re: Using corner bets and positive progression.
« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2019, 10:00:10 AM »
Only live wheel. I don't trust the RNG or the automatic wheels.
 

Third

Re: Using corner bets and positive progression.
« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2019, 10:58:47 AM »


Obviously this wasn't a huge recovery session like the others but the principles are exactly the same, just repeated several times before actual profit is regained.

I had no statistical reason to expect additional hits, the rest of the selections appeared more likely to hit and I simply didn't know what to expect and so, I lowered the chips; it can either be completely or by 1/2 -- the key being that it is LOWER so that if there is a debt swing, it will be less than with full chips.  The goal is to create a downward movement of the debt, as the statistics swing in both directions, by betting lower during the debt swing and higher during the profit swing.

Because of the genius of this positive progression, the chips naturally raised for the large coup that all but won the game.  There are several excellent things about this system that work together synergystically.

Could I have just raised my chips and actually done better?  Sure, in this game...
« Last Edit: July 12, 2019, 11:24:08 AM by Third »
 

Third

Re: Using corner bets and positive progression.
« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2019, 09:46:35 AM »









Wow!  Look at all those hot numbers crammed into a single selection!!  I wish I could statistically forecast such events!

Do you see the forecasted hit streaks from selections 11, 29 & 32?  Do you know why the number 32 is particularly favored (two reasons)?

EDIT: Let's actually spin through and see what happens...

The number 32 hit 10 spins later for significant profit!


PS: Please note that number 11 hit in just 6 spins!

What selection is forecasted the strongest now??

(I have the answer, with spins!  I am just waiting for someone to get it right...)
« Last Edit: July 13, 2019, 10:40:56 AM by Third »
 

thomasleor

Re: Using corner bets and positive progression.
« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2019, 12:49:56 PM »





Wow!  Look at all those hot numbers crammed into a single selection!!  I wish I could statistically forecast such events!

EDIT: Let's actually spin through and see what happens...

The number 32 hit 10 spins later for significant profit!

PS: Please note that number 11 hit in just 6 spins!

(I have the answer, with spins!  I am just waiting for someone to get it right...)

Third, I like your posts. They have always shown a childish fascination of numbers and the eagerness to understand their underlying nature and if possible predict their appearance in a perfect RNG.

But Third, your observations of SPINS are not actual SPINS, where a number of physical laws (including quantum based processes are involved) are at play, they are in fact a GENERATION of numbers based on a PRNG - Pseudo Random Number Generator as I assume you do not have access to the more sophisticated Casino RNG that are using a randomness extractor like for example very sophisticated cryptographic hashfunctions (much like NSA does) to ensure a close to perfect probability density function that keeps producing the needed span of numbers in the range 0 - 36.

Casino additionally tweak their RNGs depending on the user playing for fun or for Real Money. Hence any tests on your PRNGs are useless in comparison to what a tweaked Casino RNg (with an image of a roulette wheel slapped on it) produces. It is like comparing the visible presence of trees in a forest through a night or a day.

What you are dealing with is NOT roulette, however much you want to believe it. It is plainly Number guessing and attempt, in some way, to systemitize and predict future number sequences based on past sequences where the fallout of positive predictions overshadows the reality of the negative ones.  This will never happen. And one of the reason it doesnt, is why the Casinos are still using this illusory concept they call "Roulette" in a nice CGI package AS AN EQUALl to the REAL thing,  where we are dealing with completely different phenomena, generated by a slew of laws that have very little common ground with the above mentioned.

Yet, I know how you think, so best of luck with what you do. Remember, falling of a cliff you realize soon enough the approaching reality of the ground as the gravity is doing its job. Yet, hope dictates that you can always try flapping your arms and fly away ;)
« Last Edit: July 13, 2019, 01:03:16 PM by thomasleor »
 
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Jesper

Re: Using corner bets and positive progression.
« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2019, 01:22:17 PM »
There is not many casinos using  pseudo rng, most use TRNG, and they may be some different from a wheel, or may was, a modern wheel is very as a TRNG.  We have on many fora seen people try to see the difference, but all were failed.  A honest casino using wheel or rng, there is no different. We have some other problems with some, as they may not pay as the smallprint says something else.  It is so it is more easy to trust what you see, and there is BM casino easier. The TRNG casinos make you play faster, so a day on line is like a forthnight in BM.
 
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Third

Re: Using corner bets and positive progression.
« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2019, 02:10:23 PM »
Hey, if I am making money, I don't care if they have density, are dense, have hash, hash tags or hashish!!! :D

 
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thomasleor

Re: Using corner bets and positive progression.
« Reply #52 on: July 13, 2019, 03:23:03 PM »
Hey, if I am making money, I don't care if they have density, are dense, have hash, hash tags or hashish!!! :D

 8)  Hmm...ok, sure.  Well let me compose something you might recall in better light in a future not too distant from now;

Yes, friend, these are for sure the well-known words of any mindless gambler.  Bewitched by the dancing numbers, he uses his mind and will to bend reality to his own liking and rejoices in said affirmation by the temporary inflow of cash into his purse.

That fact and sound alone stand as the ultimate proof of his wits being superior to a Universe inhabited by laws beyond his purview.

But soon enough, even the most subtle law of Large numbers lets it's great tail swirl and gone are the short wins, and once more - vanished are even his secret savings.

Where players see, know and use reason and judgment, even in the midst of the greatest wins, the gambler merely wishes even faster spins and greater returns. 

To him, no stopping is wanted and much less care of what has been gained. This sickness is a difficult one for even though the wandering ghost of loss is expected in moments of darkness,  the dream of profit out waves all odds. "Tomorrow, and tomorrow and tomorrow I will do even better",  is his mantra.

And believe it or not, in all this,  yet again and forevermore, our dear Sisyphus pushes the great boulder, for the millionth time,  up the mountain of hope and despair.
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Third

Re: Using corner bets and positive progression.
« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2019, 04:01:53 PM »
If you get an early hit by the outside numbers it's not a problem then you can start over.
This is exactly the strategy I am using now.  Unless there are favorable statistics for a press, I simply start over if I have any additional profit from the last hit.

Recovery is the same thing but our "profit" is a lower debt amount of substance.  I don't usually start completely over in recovery, unless I am close to actual profit, I expect a reversal or I had a very large and significant gain; I often reduce the chips by 1/2.

We are in a constant battle to simulaneously lower the debt and protect against a drawdown.  It is as much an art, as it is a science. :)

You know, you just reminded me, I am also starting to move in the direction of continuous, unbroken play too!  I have a goal of 100 units and when I hit it, I start the monitor over but leave the casino open!  I spin until a middle number lights up in yellow (hits above expectation) and then start betting like its a brand new game. :D
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Third

Re: Using corner bets and positive progression.
« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2019, 11:33:09 PM »


I didn't indicate it in the chart, but the next major hit after lowering chips the first time (right before the highlighted green area), I lower chips completely.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2019, 11:36:01 PM by Third »
 

Third

Re: Using corner bets and positive progression.
« Reply #55 on: July 14, 2019, 06:34:28 AM »




I could tell this session was bad from the beginning.  The way the hot numbers rolled out prevented me from getting a good shot at profit; every time I tried to identify a good spot, there was always something wrong with it.

Some examples.  Look at all the hot numbers crammed into the first column and only 2 in the second column.  See all the hot numbers on 0-4 -- all unbettable with the number 5 hitting below expectation.  The perfect bet here is number 23, but of course it is also hitting below expectation.

So I found myself bouncing back and forth on less than ideal numbers and always feeling on edge because things just hadn't rolled out right.  I lowered my chips after awhile during the slow upward climb because I just knew things were wrong.  Maybe I just should have stopped betting and spun through.

Anyway, being up 3100 units (including the loss) so far makes this loss easy to take.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2019, 07:04:39 AM by Third »
 

dobbelsteen

Re: Using corner bets and positive progression.
« Reply #56 on: July 14, 2019, 08:08:29 AM »
[font=]But Third, your observations of SPINS are not actual SPINS, where a number of physical laws (including quantum based processes are involved) are at play, they are in fact a GENERATION of numbers based on a PRNG - Pseudo Random Number Generator as I assume you do not have access to the more sophisticated Casino RNG that are using a randomness extractor like for example very sophisticated cryptographic hashfunctions (much like NSA does) to ensure a close to perfect probability density function that keeps producing the needed span of numbers in the range 0 - 36.[/font][font=&amp][/font]
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[font=]Casino additionally tweak their RNGs depending on the user playing for fun or for Real Money. Hence any tests on your PRNGs are useless in comparison to what a tweaked Casino RNg (with an image of a roulette wheel slapped on it) produces. It is like comparing the visible presence of trees in a forest through a night or a day.[/font]

This is a contra diction. A sophisticated RNG is a fair RNG. A tweaked pRNG is not fair. In principle it is not a RNG. On internet the software designers or casino providers do not use a RNG but a database . In the database they collect the data of the player and keep a record of the profit.
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thomasleor

Re: Using corner bets and positive progression.
« Reply #57 on: July 14, 2019, 09:39:31 AM »

This is a contra diction. A sophisticated RNG is a fair RNG. A tweaked pRNG is not fair. In principle it is not a RNG. On internet the software designers or casino providers do not use a RNG but a database . In the database they collect the data of the player and keep a record of the profit.

As per usual Dobbelsteen you are incorrect in your Casino insights and you clearly misunderstood what my term "tweaking" an RNG really meant.

All regulated, licensed casinos have software that has been tested by an independent third party (for example - EGBA that is registered in the European Parliament and Commission Transparency Registry)

These third parties make RNG evaluations, game and mathematics evaluations, ongoing RNG or game payout verification and reporting live dealer, sports-book or betting exchange evaluations, poker system audits and full security audits. All RNGs that pass are certified as fair, which means they are random. So far so good, huh?

Not exactly and here comes the big rub, or surprise, few gamblers really know about, or even cared to investigate/inform themselves of; The checks above are also made to confirm that the machines meet the minimum payout percentages (casino vs gamblers) established by the areas authorities and gaming commissions, where rules can differ.

If you so far do not understand what this really means let me make it even clearer. This PAYOUT percentage (in the upwards direction) is decided by the Casino (usually within a range of 4-6% return to the Casino and in some cases as high as 8%. The rest of course goes back to the gamblers) on a specific set of number generations (what the gamblers refer to as spins).

 This means that at any given RNG "table",  the TRNG processor is tweaked in conjunction with a specific intercepting software that keeps track of the hashed player information, to generate a number that has the least bet value on it for a specific amount of generations ahead until said Casino return goal is met. Once this is met the TRNG produces without the interception of this software and produces perfectly random numbers whatever the bet sizes may be on any given number. This payout curve is controlled continuously and never wavers below  set Minimum Payout. Above, however, is a decision made by the Casino owners based on their quarterly profit expectations for their establishment.

A Stock exchange registered company like unibet which essentially is a BETTING PORTAL, will of course keep a moderate level as the RNG incomes are a tiny part of its business compared to its sportbetting section and small online Casinos with shady backgrounds, will of course have much higher returns to themselves.

Yet, this act breakes no laws established by the gaming commissions and is the sole reason Casinos offers RNG games to its customers. Without it they would be out of business pretty fast.
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scepticus

Re: Using corner bets and positive progression.
« Reply #58 on: July 14, 2019, 10:27:26 AM »
Leave out one of the Columns and then --

 Leave out one or more of the 6 natural corners  OR .

Leave out of the 6 natural corners O or E-/ H or L /  R or B -

 Job done !
 

Joe

Re: Using corner bets and positive progression.
« Reply #59 on: July 14, 2019, 10:39:36 AM »
Thomas, no doubt there are some corrupt casinos which operate in the way you describe, but they are in the minority. If you believe otherwise, where is your proof?
I live in the UK and only play at UK gambling commission approved casinos. If what you say is true then casinos would be lying when they tell us that the payout for single zero roulette is 97.3%, as in fact, if you're correct, it would be significantly higher. I do play RNG at times, and being a statistics geek, I record and analyse all my results. It's true that over a short sequence of spins the apparent edge for the casino can be higher than 2.7%, but for other sequences it's below 2.7%. That's variance. On average, the edge is 2.7% or very close to it on either side.

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This means that at any given RNG "table",  the TRNG processor is tweaked in conjunction with a specific intercepting software that keeps track of the hashed player information, to generate a number that has the least bet value on it for a specific amount of generations ahead until said Casino return goal is met. Once this is met the TRNG produces without the interception of this software and produces perfectly random numbers whatever the bet sizes may be on any given number. This payout curve is controlled continuously and never wavers below  set Minimum Payout. Above, however, is a decision made by the Casino owners based on their quarterly profit expectations for their establishment.

If this actually happened it would be very easy to expose because outcomes wouldn't be statistically random (nowhere near). And While I'm sure it does occur, it certainly isn't "standard practice" for online casinos. Unless you're saying that the auditing is worthless and that the auditors are in on it too, lol.
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