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scepticus

winning system anyone?
« on: June 27, 2019, 05:14:13 PM »
Bebediktus
Laurance Scott teaches VB butI don't I think he  actually plays now but  claims  that he had been a Roulette Professional. .
Pawlicki was a student of Laurance Scott  .You have his book so must know that he claimed to be  a knowleledgeable AP / VB player. You will  know that  Scoblette says that Pawlicki only bets whenhe has a"  Mathematical Edge " or a " Physical Edge " .
 

palestis

Re: winning system anyone?
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2019, 11:35:55 PM »
Mr Perfect
Palestis said some time ago that he would not reveal a truly profitable method . I agreed then - and still do for what I think are obvius reasons.
Scep
I don't think I ever said that.
I think I mentioned the opposite.
If I had a 100% winning system I wouldn't mind sharing it in here.
The chances of a few of us being at the same casino playing the same system at the same time  (thus raising pit bosses eyebrows), are remote to say the least.  (LoL).
Right now my biggest problem is that the new casino I was waiting to open (which opened last Sunday), has unbelievable minimums.
After 2pm all the roulettes have $50 minimum, and only 2 roulettes  $25 minimum.
Before 2 pm only one roulette open with $25 min. and crowded as expected being only one.
That requires a system in itself in dealing with such high minimums.
If one can afford a high BR fine. But these are minimums for high stakes private rooms.
Not for the general playing public.
And we are talking about the HE being the enemy. Running out of money is the most likely enemy, because it wipes you out much sooner than the HE.

« Last Edit: June 27, 2019, 11:48:00 PM by palestis »
 
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scepticus

Re: winning system anyone?
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2019, 03:48:25 AM »
Hi Palestis
I seem to remember you saying that some time  ago. Away back when you lived in Europe and Reyth and Harry J were here .
The main reason for not sharing is that some Shark is going to sell it to unsuspecting Bettors.

Reminds me of the Old Joke. Someone asks a guy to share  with him his winning system .
The guy replies " Can you keep a secret ?
 Answerr " Yes "

The guy replies "So can I   ! " 
 

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Re: winning system anyone?
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2019, 05:34:20 AM »
Palestis, this is a real bummer!

Like I have said many times. Even if a consistently winning system was posted, very few would really take advantage of it. Most would read it and then wait for a new system to read (system junkies). Others would test it for billions of spins and find that it doesn't perform in the long run. Others would use it with changes to "suit their play-style" and make it ineffective. Others wouldn't be interested or complain because it is slow/high bankroll etc. Very few would have the faith and determination to use it as it should and actually make money. So the "I won't share my winning system" attitude is pointless IMO. In fact I believe, the notion of a winning system is a bit off. It may be more correct/pragmatic if we said "this is how I win" instead of "my winning system".
 
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thomasleor

Re: winning system anyone?
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2019, 06:11:17 AM »
Best thing you´ve written in a long time, Kav. Really well put.

Thank you, and be aware that I might even take the liberty to quote you some time in the future, not only here, but also on my own forum when writing about this inflationary "diversity" of opinions and approaches preventing the complete implementation of an available well defined system, or platform, for online. or landbased casino play. ;)
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Bebediktus

Re: winning system anyone?
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2019, 07:35:09 AM »
Bebediktus
Laurance Scott teaches VB butI don't I think he  actually plays now but  claims  that he had been a Roulette Professional. .
Pawlicki was a student of Laurance Scott ....
Larry not teach, he simply had forum some years back and talked in forums. He wrote books, but with them is other storry, not sure if  good in forum talk about that - most AP player understand what I say. That was simply bussines project and nothing more....not every can something learn from them...

But he till now play, and play not bad :) Or can say he know how to play right :)

Pawlicky not was  a student, he never had aim to win in play. he was simply interested slight in  all that, because he wanted to write book , again - as bussines project. he do several such he writed book about roulette about craps , maybe about something other...
And he played only to have feeling what is that play , but not as professional player...

So was interest to earn money from book, but not to become professional :)
You can talk with them if know where and they will say you the same .
 

Joe

Re: winning system anyone?
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2019, 07:52:20 AM »
Like I have said many times. Even if a consistently winning system was posted, very few would really take advantage of it. Most would read it and then wait for a new system to read (system junkies). Others would test it for billions of spins and find that it doesn't perform in the long run. Others would use it with changes to "suit their play-style" and make it ineffective. Others wouldn't be interested or complain because it is slow/high bankroll etc. Very few would have the faith and determination to use it as it should and actually make money. So the "I won't share my winning system" attitude is pointless IMO. In fact I believe, the notion of a winning system is a bit off. It may be more correct/pragmatic if we said "this is how I win" instead of "my winning system".

Kav, I must disagree with you here. I think people switch from system to system and endlessly create them because they haven't yet found one which does work consistently. That's the simplest explanation. I know that if I found one which did pass a test of millions of spins, I would probably find another hobby.  ;)

By the way, isn't it a contradiction to say that a system is a consistent winner and in the next sentence say that it doesn't perform in the long run? Surely the ability to perform in the long run is the major (in fact, only) factor which makes a system a consistent winner.

The very fact that there are roulette forums full of members busily creating and testing systems is surely evidence that no genuine winners exist. Even those who claim to win seem to hang around the forums year after year; but what for? And I'm suspicious of these folk; although undoubtedly some of them have gambling problems.
 

Joe

Re: winning system anyone?
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2019, 07:58:46 AM »
Right now my biggest problem is that the new casino I was waiting to open (which opened last Sunday), has unbelievable minimums.
After 2pm all the roulettes have $50 minimum, and only 2 roulettes  $25 minimum.
That is indeed a bummer. Can't you play online? Or isn't it allowed where you are?
 
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dobbelsteen

Re: winning system anyone?
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2019, 09:04:29 AM »
Joe you write about consistent winning system. The word system is used in different contexts. In theory winning systems does not exist. A system has fixed rules. The DTOP is the area where every system change in a permanent loss. Experience players play strategies. It is possible to make small profits. A positive result of 1 a 2% is possible. A strategy or  a system is not profitable but the experience player is.

The performance of SSB is till now not beaten. In spite of this SSB is not a HG
 

palestis

Re: winning system anyone?
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2019, 09:24:57 AM »
That is indeed a bummer. Can't you play online? Or isn't it allowed where you are?
No it's not allowed to play online here except if you reside in a certain state.. Maybe some online RNG wheel is allowed if you look hard enough. But that's not a solution.
The point is even with $25 min. bet (that means $25 total bet as opposed to $25 min. per chip in some European casinos), you still need well over $3,000 BR.
Also having most roulettes being at $50 min., you have to spend more time waiting by one or 2 tables
to find a trigger at one or two $25 tables. The funny thing is that most $50 tables are almost empty or with only one or two players playing. So it might change in the future. (unless they want to push people towards the slot machines where the biggest casino profits are.)
It will take some psychological preparation to get used to the high roller type of tables.
The rewards are bigger but also the risks are bigger.
PS: They do have 2 airball machines with $5 min, and also one live dealer roulette where you bet electronically from nearby stations, also $5 min.
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scepticus

Re: winning system anyone?
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2019, 09:40:17 AM »
Bebediktus
Frank Scoblette was the main source of my info about Scott and  Pawlicki. So go and argue with him.

In addition , I read some time ago that   Scot CLAIMED  to have travelled  the world as a Roulette Professional but gave it up because the expenses were too great .  Why don't you get in  touch with him and post his reply here ?
 

scepticus

Re: winning system anyone?
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2019, 09:53:16 AM »
kav
The opposite attitude that " I will share my winning system " is also pointless for the same reasons you gave . It IS a matter of opinion and not the  " Given " you claim.
 

Bebediktus

Re: winning system anyone?
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2019, 10:14:47 AM »
Bebediktus
Frank Scoblette was the main source of my info about Scott and  Pawlicki. So go and argue with him.

Mine source are direct from these peoples, only that talks was 5 years back. Scoblette is writer . Does you not understand that writer can  gave you not real picture of all ? And that is natural, he needs to sell his books !!
If I will write book I will do similar so no object for arguing ...
I read some time ago that   Scot CLAIMED  to have travelled  the world as a Roulette Professional but gave it up because the expenses were too great .  Why don't you get in  touch with him and post his reply here ?
He traveled and travel till now and expences are of course very big. I that know himself because that is main why I cant live  better. Why to ask him what is natural and clear ? These expences change house edge from 2.7 to maybe 7-8 % not so easy to beat such edge. We cant play 100$-200$ per number  what will change all and not because we not have enough bancroll !!! Bancroll is second -  , simply in such case you will be too visible for casino !!
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scepticus

Re: winning system anyone?
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2019, 04:59:13 PM »
Bebediktus.

1 )  No true Professional Gambler would spend his Bankroll. That is the  “tools of his trade “ .That casts doubt  that he ever was a Roulette Professional .

2 ) Scoblette says Scott told him  one thing . You say Scott told you something entirely different . Why should we believe  you rather than Scoblette. He has a professional reputation to uphold. 

3 } Pawlicki says Scott was his mentor . Are you saying he lied ?

4 ) All you Ap /  VB  guys seem to be doing is searching for a biased wheel  . Why do you need to travel so much to find one ?
 

Bebediktus

Re: winning system anyone?
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2019, 06:21:32 AM »
Scepticus , you himself understand what you want to say and aim of all arguing ? For me that is not clear...
1. You think that Larry absolutelly not know how to play roulette ? If yes then you are absolutelly wrong :)

2. What is difference to who believe ? Are simply logic how player behave, if some say something what is not logical, that he do usually with some aim and for peoples who understand matter - all is clear.
If for you that is not clear maybe only because you are not enough strong in that...

3. Mentor , I think is not teacher, maybe more - consultant, adviser...yes.

4. It only you who think that much :)  I will say you big secret  - yes mostly AP players talk, that  is super hard to find where to play...but you never thought why we so talk ? If for us that is good , that others think this way or bad :) ?I can say you one thing - from all your posts is clear that you not believe , or you are forced not believe, by some others :) . In forums are many , who do job :) .

But many who understand that no matter what you talk say Scott how he played - the same he play - your talk here not have any influence to his play, the same not have influence to my and others play.

Maybe even have opposite, than you expect effect even on new players...and with  such your talks without logic - you simply can push them to look for  true... this way all your job is worthless :)
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