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Ronno27

How do you know a Online Casino RNG Is Fair or Not?
« on: May 15, 2019, 03:30:05 PM »


With regards to fair play assessments at online casinos, how do professional roulette players determine an online RNG is legit and genuine unbiased? I don't mean just because you are winning there lol. I want to understand how you know. I do go on casino meister look for accredited casino's and do research obviously before join etc I'm very interested opinions how do we know checks, verified by leading independent auditors RNG, is genuine Thanks.
 
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Third

Re: How do you know a Online Casino RNG Is Fair or Not?
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2019, 03:48:52 PM »
Unless they have audited RNG output files for us to examine, we must rely upon the things you already mentioned:

1) Third party recopmmendations (successful players)
2) Auditing
3) Personally winning

Number 3 is the most convincing to me.  I have played for 133 days (actual gaming days, not calendar days), made over $10,000 in actual profit and withdrawn more than I have made; i.e. there is 100% of the casino money on account.  Very many tmes I have been in situations where I was poised to coup large and every time it has come in for me.  After while you realize, "There is no way this casino is cheating".

The only other option to us to track the performance of every number on a spin by spin basis, tracking hits:expectation.  You will learn over time if the output is fair.

I really do trust the 3rd party recommendations to start with.

Sorry that's all I got but before I go, I want to ask you how you would be able to trust any B & M casino after seeing this:

[INSERT ROULETTE WHEEL OPENED UP WITH MAGNETS HERE]

Sorry, these pictures exist but they are not readily viewable online.  You get my point though, right?
 
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Ronno27

Re: How do you know a Online Casino RNG Is Fair or Not?
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2019, 04:47:18 PM »

Makes the most sense that your personally winning builds trust in casino your on. Don't mind me asking is it the RNG type where you control in own time the spin button? or the fast paced RNG which continues to spin itself. Guess can also be which software name trust too. Playtech,Netent,etc but that can open can of worms ha. Awesome profits Third congrats cheers! your pic did not load but I understand what you mean yes magnets is out of order.
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Re: How do you know a Online Casino RNG Is Fair or Not?
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2019, 05:24:28 PM »
I have played for 133 days (actual gaming days, not calendar days), made over $10,000 in actual profit and withdrawn more than I have made; i.e. there is 100% of the casino money on account.  Very many tmes I have been in situations where I was poised to coup large and every time it has come in for me.  After while you realize, "There is no way this casino is cheating".

These are great news.
Consistent profits from a RNG.
Me too would like to know what software did you beat. Did you have to change systems periodically?
 

Third

Re: How do you know a Online Casino RNG Is Fair or Not?
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2019, 05:26:03 PM »
Its Real Time Gaming (software platform) but I must say that different casinos use this platform and so I am not saying all RTG casinos can be trusted (even though they might be?).

You simply hit the Spin button and you must wait for the short (and mildly entertaining) audo/video sequence of the ball bouncing into position and you may immediately hit Spin again from there.  While actually playing a system, taking extremely short (bathroom, coffee) breaks, I am able to average about 250 spins per hour.

Am I playing the same way now that I was 133 days ago?  Yes and no.  My method has evolved to become FAR more conservative but my overall betting strategy is now FAR more aggressive as well.  As human beings we will learn things and it is important to be conscious and apply ourselves to improving as much as we can.

I must say once again, I thank God for my success but I do not blame Him when I lose!
« Last Edit: May 15, 2019, 05:33:42 PM by Third »
 
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UnlikelySam

Re: How do you know a Online Casino RNG Is Fair or Not?
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2019, 07:27:46 PM »
Well done on the winnings Third ; may they continue to grow even further day by day ... Hard work does pay off ;) ... Referring to the attachment is this the exact Roulette layout you are playing or has it changed?
 
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Third

Re: How do you know a Online Casino RNG Is Fair or Not?
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2019, 07:48:19 PM »
That is the EXACT layout sir!
 

Ronno27

Re: How do you know a Online Casino RNG Is Fair or Not?
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2019, 11:20:56 PM »

Just random thought, thinking out aloud , seems a lot systems wait for triggers before betting etc instead of waiting for numbers to be hit,why not just bet each number that comes out until one of them numbers repeats,or something similar. I mean how often does that happen. The most important part would be good money management  towards doing that.

Almost less is more. what about system that wins one time and its enough. Anyways just being bit creative cheers
 

Third

Re: How do you know a Online Casino RNG Is Fair or Not?
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2019, 12:55:41 AM »
I tested betting the last number out a long time ago and determined that it would go missing up to around 20% longer than if we simply bet a single number and left our bet in place.
 
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UnlikelySam

Re: How do you know a Online Casino RNG Is Fair or Not?
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2019, 08:15:38 AM »
" That is the EXACT layout sir! "

The reason I asked is most of the RTG platforms are using a totally different layout ; looks newer perhaps... I prefer the one I attached in the previous post namely the one you are playing ; nice look and feel to it... You think the same RNg implementation is present on both the different layouts? Penny for your thoughts...
 

UnlikelySam

Re: How do you know a Online Casino RNG Is Fair or Not?
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2019, 08:33:25 AM »
" [INSERT ROULETTE WHEEL OPENED UP WITH MAGNETS HERE]Sorry, these pictures exist but they are not readily viewable online.  You get my point though, right? "

Lol i just had to read that again and it reminded me of something... These wheels were being imported from a "certain continent " ; some smaller casinos were using it as is... However what was more insulting to the player ; the parts were interchangeable with another " branded " variant so essentially on the surface everything on the outside appeared legit...

In all honesty though a well reputed establishment wouldn't risk so much as it'll be a whole lot more difficult to close shop and start up again under a new name as opposed to an online gaming scenario...
 
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Re: How do you know a Online Casino RNG Is Fair or Not?
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2019, 09:30:00 AM »
most of the RTG platforms are using a totally different layout ; looks newer perhaps... I prefer the one I attached in the previous post namely the one you are playing ; nice look and feel to it... You think the same RNg implementation is present on both the different layouts? Penny for your thoughts...

Wow, I wasn't aware of that.  Do you have a photo of the "newer looking" one?

I have absolutely no clue about the RNG differences, if there are any...  >.<
 

UnlikelySam

Re: How do you know a Online Casino RNG Is Fair or Not?
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2019, 10:00:54 AM »
This is it. Although I think the one you are using looks newer ???  This just looks toooooo basic >:(
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UnlikelySam

Re: How do you know a Online Casino RNG Is Fair or Not?
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2019, 02:46:33 PM »

Is anyone familiar with Betgamestv? They have a host of live  games Baccarat , poker  ,dice to name a few... However the " Lucky  numbers" games offers something similar towards a Roulette scenario with quite a bit of betting options but not necessarily the best of odds for a few. As mentioned it's live approximately every 5 minutes...

Even if someone believed there's a chance it is a rigged game ; how would that work out ???  Who would they be out to "Sniper" ; the highest bets only each time? :-\  The point is everybody around the globe is betting at the very same time...Past  results used to go as far back as a year or two if I recall...

Why couldn't there be something similar for an RNg platform ; suppliers such as Playtech , RTG etc etc would host it "Live " so to speak and show past results dating back ; the games would not be so individually based...  When you log on you play along with other players.... The RNg would be spitting out numbers 24/7 ...  Would that even be remotely possible though :-\  Aaaah in an ideal world perhaps... It would definitely add a bit of a trust factor there ; even if minuscule...
 
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UnlikelySam

Re: How do you know a Online Casino RNG Is Fair or Not?
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2019, 03:32:57 PM »
"You simply hit the Spin button and you must wait for the short (and mildly entertaining) audo/video sequence of the ball bouncing into position and you may immediately hit Spin again from there."

Third , does that mean the wheel can be spun without having to place a mutual bet on R and B ?