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Ronno27

Four Spins To Win
« on: May 12, 2019, 10:05:49 PM »

I remember old system may be of interest 4 spins to win, I thought I would bring up old basic system. Not sure if there are postings on forum about it. Its quite basic system of tracking 33 spins and making a note of the hit numbers that surfaced. Then the unhit numbers left roughly 16-17 numbers range.
You basically bet 34 spin and idea is win within 4 spins and stop on a win. There are few rules to actual pdf in more detail to follow or not if your stickler details.

Might sound funny but seriously can do alot of damage with it from small 10p stakes and then can manage small bankroll low risk.

Anyways dont want step on original creator of it but think for beginners it can be basic system but powerful. Dont think ever lost on it,seriously. Recall fair___  well known casino,making my chips invisble when doubling up etc last time took profits off them. Anyways good basic system, if all know it then no worries thought just try share it,if thats ok to do so..being new to site cheers -

 
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Third

Re: Four Spins To Win
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2019, 01:42:44 AM »
If there are 16-17 numbers then at least you have some that should be ordinary appearers.

So:

17 -17
17 -34
34 -68
51 -119

Is that right?
 

Ronno27

Re: Four Spins To Win
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2019, 10:27:04 AM »

Well there is few rules to the originally system Third. I could perhaps upload it. Or could put the whole system in this thread if can locate document on my laptop. Let me see can find it,and I will put full system on here Cheers
 

Ronno27

Re: Four Spins To Win
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2019, 12:32:35 PM »

Four Spins to Win System

Rules:
1. Track thirty-three consecutive spins of the wheel until only twenty numbers (or less) have hit in those thirty-three spins (I.E. There are at least seventeen numbers that remain un-hit).
1.1. If in thirty-three spins more than twenty numbers have come out (I.E. there are less than 17 unhit numbers), you continue spinning and re-tracking the previous thirty-three spins until rule Number One becomes true.
2. Once bets are placed (as per rule 1 of “When to Bet” below), you then finish out the set of thirty three spins you have already tracked, all the way to spin thirty-seven (bets are left on the table for a total of four spins of the wheel).
3. After you have spun the wheel for the 37th time, if you haven’t won, that betting session is over and you re-track the previous set of thirty-three spins until rule one is true again. (rule one should automatically be true when a loss occurs).

When to Bet:
1. You place your bets anytime Rule One is true.
Where to Bet:
1. You bet on all the un-hit numbers in the set of thirty-three spins you have tracked.How Much to Bet:1. Bet Amount is based on this formula:

1.1 If the user has the option “start form last loss until win” turned on, then the formula would look like this: (amount bet on each number *36) - (amount bet on each number * number of numbers bet on)+previous losses since the start of playing)) = profit on a win - if this amount is less than the user input of “minimum acceptable profit” increase “amount bet on each number” by 1 unit until “profit on a win” is greater than the user input of “minimum acceptable profit”.
1.2 If the user has the option “start from last loss until win” turned off, then the formula would look like this: (amount bet on each number * 36) – (amount bet on each number *number of numbers bet on) + previous losses since the start of that betting session)) = profit on a win - if this is amount is less than the user input of “minimum acceptable profit” increase “amount bet” by 1 until “profit on a win” is greater than the user input of “minimum acceptable profit”.
So here is the formula in action:
User says the minimum acceptable profit is: 5 units
Rule one is true, so bets can now be placed. In this example let’s say rule one is true because there are 17 un-hit numbers. The formula now figures out how much to put on those 17 numbers like this:
(1*36)-(1*17)+0))=19 – the amount to profit is greater than 5 so it places one unit on those 17 numbers. (the formula always starts with 1 as the amount to bet on each number and works its way up). Let’s say we lose this bet, the formula now calculates again how much to put on each number (1*36)-(1*17)+17))=2 – the amount to profit is less than 5 so it increases the “amount to bet on each number” by one unit. (2*36)-(2*17)+17))=21– the amount is greater than 5 so it places 2 units on the 17 unhit numbers.

This the exact full system above. As said I am not the original creator of it just wanted to share old system with everyone. It does work and you can tweak and adapt it to your own preferences here and there.  I also have a video of the system in action its in avi format so I will try to convert it mpg if can or maybe have to put googledrive here if can not convert it not sure Cheers-)

 
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Third

Re: Four Spins To Win
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2019, 10:02:51 PM »
Wow!  So this was originally part of a software package, where a person could personalize their settings.

My first instinct is that this is part of a "profit loop" formula, which is quite dangerous and quickly spirals out of control on the worst sequences.

I have an open mind though because the rules seem quite detailed and maybe the author understands this.  I just woke up and so I don't have the time to examine this in any detail and so I would be relying upon you to push it forward until I have time?
 

UnlikelySam

Re: Four Spins To Win
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2019, 09:00:53 AM »
Hey Ronno27 thanks for bringing this system back to play in the forum... I have the PDF file for this from back then and you explained it perfectly ; great job 8)

Imho this system is best suited for RNg play :

1: The outlay ( buy-in) is far less ; you also mentioned you had much success with small stakes of 10p.

2: It would be a bit tedious to track 33 spins and then have to re-track another 33 spins as the 1st "track" had less than 17 unhit numbers and possibly have to do it again perhaps and so on.

3- A tracker can be used to easily track 33 spins and pinpoint exactly which are the 17 unhit numbers even if it needs to be re-tracked over and over if the 1st "track" did not qualify etc etc... RNg is super fast paced as well :o

By all means this is a really good system of play... Attached is a bet calculator from the Author I believe. Rename file extension from "txt" to "xls"... Input your profit margin aim in the spreadsheet and it'll do the rest :D

Regards

Sam...
 
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Third

Re: Four Spins To Win
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2019, 09:47:04 AM »
Wow great tool!

I don't know how often it happens but what do we do when we are down 204 units?
 

UnlikelySam

Re: Four Spins To Win
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2019, 10:09:38 AM »
Third can happen quite a bit in a B&M scenario ; I tested it quickly manually with a tracker and it was a hit and miss ; was a bit too much repeats from spins 34 - 37 :-[  Maybe just a bad streak.

From what I understand if you lose the entire 4 spins then you cut your losses and start again and hope the wins outweigh the losses. It can happen even with RNg and that is something one needs to be prepared for in terms of a progression etc etc...

Ronno27 seems to be on to something by playing small and building up a BR.Third maybe you could streamline a proper progression for this to account for the eventuality of 4 straight losses ?
« Last Edit: May 14, 2019, 10:11:55 AM by UnlikelySam »
 

Ronno27

Re: Four Spins To Win
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2019, 11:01:23 AM »

Great feedback guys Thanks Awesome you have calculator too.When it repeats on 34-37 yes if only we could know exact moment to bet for the unhit numbers. Reminds a little bit G.U.T with regards to the crossover. I believe there is also a 10 spins to win lol.

Not to encourage extended betting of course. But I will admit to on occasion going to 6 spins because when starting very low stake 5p/10p its not going to break the bank and can still have a small bankroll. I have done 100 in one day before but I always stopped after win and had break then come back for a fresh session. I never continued playing and playing like the video does.

Because the video file is too large to convert to mpg. I'm not allowedto post external links so anyone wants it just pm me Cheers-)
 
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Re: Four Spins To Win
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2019, 12:25:07 PM »
Sorry, I lied.  I know how often it happens....

We win 94.17% of the time.  So we will lose roughly 6 times out of 100, or 1 in 16 or 17 sessions.

As far as progressions go, I am not sure there is one I can come up with to save us here.  We have only bet 68 numbers and we have a debt of 204 units.

I think the way to go would be to analyze how those numbers appear on the felt and try to arrange a smaller selection.  We are hunting for 1-5 ordinary appearing numbers and we don't know which ones they will be, so I think I would focus on the historically hottest numbers from those 17.  That will provide a much smaller subset of numbers to work with.  I think we can make progress that way instead?
 
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Re: Four Spins To Win
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2019, 12:51:20 PM »
Looks like a brilliant fallacy