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blue22

Advice on how to become a more disciplined gambler?
« on: April 29, 2019, 10:47:25 PM »
Advice needed on how to become a more disciplined gambler?
 
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Third

Re: Advice on how to become a more disciplined gambler?
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2019, 06:07:41 AM »
Practice, practice, practice.  Establish statistically oriented rules and stick with them no matter what.  Inform your rules by the experience you pick up in your practice sessions.  Treat your practice sessions like real sessions.  Take them very seriously, noting your balances and evaluating your games. It should feel to you like you are playing for real money and/or big dollar amounts. 

I really don't care what anyone else has to say about it because fun mode RNG (or RNG with such small unit sizes that the monetary amounts are inconsequential) is the best place to practice because you can get so many spins in, so quickly and you will learn a tonne about your system and roulette in general.  There is no faster place to pick up an education in roulette.

I have had a loose goal to become more creative and responsive to gaming conditions in my play (real money) and just had a long session where I went too far with this creativity.  I have since made a rule to only increase my bet selection under certain unique conditions.  Sometimes we have to learn the hard way but the point is that we LEARN and implement what we learn in all our games.

If you want to be a professional, you should get to the point where you enjoy watching numbers come out, hundreds and even thousands of them at a single session.  The habit of endurance that you will acquire will hold you in good stead when you need to recover and it will also allow you to play for long periods to increase your overall earning power, even though you might play with smaller unit sizes.

Everyone is different (LOL lookout below!) but that's my personal advice.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2019, 06:14:57 AM by Third »
 
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MickyP

Re: Advice on how to become a more disciplined gambler?
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2019, 09:19:51 AM »
What Third presented above is pretty much on point except for the platform you play on. He is an RNG online player and that's a different battleground to B/M casino tables.
If you intend playing on B/M casino tables only then everything you do (testing,spin collection etc) must come from and B/M tables. I think it is a common flaw in testing to use spins derived from any platform because they are presumed as random. Even spins from a bias B/M wheel can give you false outcomes in the testing phase so the need to test extensively is mandatory to method development.

Blue22, you ask for advice on discipline but you don't give areas of concern. Your question called for a book to be presented on discipline relative to the different aspects of the game as well as covering the psychological makeup of the player in question. There are so many variables that will have an impact on the "required" discipline in your approach to the game. If one of these aspects is ignored or not dealt with you will not achieve the level of discipline you require.
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Trilobite

Re: Advice on how to become a more disciplined gambler?
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2019, 11:39:01 AM »
First, eliminate greed and desperation. If you can't do that then all is lost.

Next, be aware that whatever you decide to do along the way it will take a very, very long time to become a disciplined gambler.
 
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UnlikelySam

Re: Advice on how to become a more disciplined gambler?
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2019, 12:25:12 PM »
I agree greed is the downfall of many ; not knowing when to accept a loss and carry on forward and plan the attack the next session is also a major pitfall...

What I'm gonna mention below is no easy task to accomplish in any form of gambling even sports...

Take for instance if at the end of the month your goal would be to reach 3000 units. Each day if you play 5 sessions at a win goal of 20 units each for each day. If you manage to accomplish that ; then your daily wins will be +- 100 units and at the end of 30 days could very well be +- 3000 units. It's all very cliche "A little goes a long way" but requires very strong discipline coupled with a good bet selection and a proper money management.

 A progression can be tailored to suit any bet selection even the worst of the worst can survive the short run before taking a mega nosedive from 2 million feet lol... We all aim for positive progressions but that can only go hand in hand with a superb bet selection.

Lastly without time and patience coupled with a positive attitude little can ever be achieved as with most things we encounter in Life...

Regards

Sam...
 
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Greek

Re: Advice on how to become a more disciplined gambler?
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2019, 04:04:57 PM »
What is your discipline issue?Do you play too many spins?Do you flat bet, use progressions?Are you distracted by the sights, sounds, smells, taste, etc.?Do you drink, or use other vices when gambling?Do you risk you bank roll too many times?Do you put gaming before family, friends, work, etc.?

First identify your root cause for non discipline. Then fix it.
 
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MrPerfect.

Re: Advice on how to become a more disciplined gambler?
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2019, 05:09:09 PM »
I think qwestion is not how to gamble responsible ...
   Need to stop gamble. Forever. 
If someone want to be at the game, he has to understand that there is place for players only.
Gamblers are doomed in this game, but player may survive and prosper.
   To prosper in the game need to study the game. Casinos are professional players. That's what they do for living.  They are prepared, armed and ready. They are disciplined and highly organised,  for them it's a war.
   No one in his sound mind will fight pro fighter, why folks go to fight pro players... ? Especially while unprepared??? 
   I think it's an overestimated self capacity . Gamblers are fool of themselves. ...
    Now..  to win any fight need to be a fighter. So..  if wanna win in the game , need to stop gambling and start playing.
    Study your game to the death of any doubt. You got to able to estimate you results before placing your first bet. If you are not, do homework.
   
 
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MickyP

Re: Advice on how to become a more disciplined gambler?
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2019, 06:09:45 PM »
So true MrPerfect.
 

Third

Re: Advice on how to become a more disciplined gambler?
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2019, 11:05:19 PM »
Just an update about "being more creative with betting more numbers on the inside".  I learned that for my playstyle it is a BAD IDEA because multiple betting events can stockpile and before I know it, I am stuck in a terrible betting loop where I am betting more than I ever imagined I ever would!  I am telling you it snuck up on me like, omgosh what is it like...

Sorry, the only thing I can think of at the moment is like very bad nieghborhoods (I am thinking about the Pan Handle in San Francisco) where you walk down the wrong street and all of a sudden you realize you are in a place that you had no idea existed when you first walked in and all you want to do is leave as immediately as possible; everything was kewl coming in la-la-da singing a song and WHAM!
 
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sam41

Re: Advice on how to become a more disciplined gambler?
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2019, 01:02:30 AM »
I think losing makes you more disciplined. You get fed up with it and know you have to change some things or just quit. I agree about greed. I used to map out these lovely (on paper) profit building plans where I'd win small amounts that gradually increase until my bankroll was massive and I'd be able to make loads in short sessions every day. Always with a stop loss that meant I still walked away with a profit. But it never worked! Either the system wasn't good enough to win as often as I thought it would, or when I lost I just couldn't walk away and would end up losing the rest, putting me back to zero. Nothing lost you could say, or hundreds of pounds I could have had and let go.

Also it's great on paper to say and at this point I'll increase to £10  a unit...the reality is quite different when that could mean wagering £150 or £200 on one spin. Even if you built it up and it's casino money, it's harder to play larger unit sizes and keep calm. Once I got really hacked off at losing £100, but I had about £500 in profit. I put £50 on 5 double streets twice and won back my £100. Utterly stupid, regardless that it won. It was a total loss of patience and discipline.
 
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MickyP

Re: Advice on how to become a more disciplined gambler?
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2019, 09:53:39 AM »
Nice post Sam41. You say "it works great on paper but..."; now, with this frame of mind you have to ask yourself a question: If it works great on paper then why does it fail in reality? You are looking in the right direction for the answer, To me, the weakest part of any method is the player himself. Yes, you are reading it correctly; the weakest part of a method is the player.

Worry, doubt, stress, is interest paid on troubles that haven't occurred yet and may not even occur. In the testing phase of a method or system you set up parameters that you play within. You test the method to the limits and by the time you go out and play for real money you must be fully aware of the limitations of the method. You should be able to relate real game reality to your test phase. As a disciplined player when I'm done testing a method at home, I spend a day at a casino testing the same method virtually. In other words, I do not bet on that day, I simply record each spin from a table and play my method on paper. I even close sessions and move to a new table that I qualify for the method. By the end of the day I have played my quota of sessions and I leave the casino without placing a single bet. I sit at home and study the days play and if I am happy then I move on to playing it with real money, but, if I am not satisfied, I look for the problem and work to fix it.
How many of you can do that? I mean, it's 8 hours of not betting in a betting environment. This is a valuable lesson for me every time I do it because I constantly test myself and my commitment to my objective which is to make money.

The player is the weakest part of any method and he is the weak link that will deviate from implementing a well designed plan.
 
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Joe

Re: Advice on how to become a more disciplined gambler?
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2019, 01:29:46 PM »
The player is the weakest part of any method and he is the weak link that will deviate from implementing a well designed plan.
I agree, but isn't that a good argument for using a bot? or at least a program which tells you exactly what to bet at all times? Take the human element out of the equation because that's the weakest link.

But I think many would disagree with that, because they think that there needs to be some discretionary input. I find this view inconsistent though, because "discretionary" implies deviating from the plan in ways which haven't been researched or tested (in other words "winging it" with occasional arbitrary bets).
 
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MickyP

Re: Advice on how to become a more disciplined gambler?
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2019, 03:18:52 PM »
Joe, good point but what I see is that you are actually suggesting a pure mechanical system to eliminate player intervention. No, to me, the player, although the weakest link is also the strongest link to success. He is the guy that holds it all together.

The player learns through the tedious and often very boring test phase exactly how to apply a method. He knows its limitations and surely he must have practiced the method over and over. He should know exactly what to do in cases where the method is slowly, spin by spin, pushed to its limits. Cracking under pressure is a very common reason for failure. If a player can not handle the pressure then he should readjust the parameters of his method or select a less stressful method to play.

To emphasize my point above and I suppose your point as well, take a look at the number of players/visitors on the forum that want a ready to play HG! No such thing. Plug in and play systems still require an understanding of the system and should be tested thoroughly and hours of practice must follow before real money is waged.
 
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Rinad

Re: Advice on how to become a more disciplined gambler?
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2019, 08:59:02 PM »


   good topic Micky.

my 2 cents.  is it possible also that the more data and info we gather over years and years of play do a trick on us???
speaking for myself I can testify that the many times i went south was because of odds and probabilities flashing before my eyes as I was playing a particular method.
all of a sudden I see a opportunity when I see a single dozen showing up for 8 times in a row and I would jump on the other 2 dozens thinking "easy money".  then 10 minutes later I am shaking my head as if a tornado just picked me up and emptied my pocket. here goes the master roulette player!!
 more then once these special opp.bets took me away from my game plan. 

i also saw some simple players just change a 100 dollar bill, covering a few hot numbers and cash out with hundreds more. or just leaving when they lost that hundred bucks. simple stuff but not deranged by loads and loads on datas ect....
makes me wonder sometime. is too much infos a cruel enemy that just throw a joke on the "smarty pants"??

Rinad
 
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