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Badger

How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
« on: February 09, 2019, 12:22:40 PM »
There would be 3 kinds of roulette gamblers that casino’s would watch out for.

1.   Biased wheel players
2.   VB players
3.   Progression players

Assuming that there is no such thing as a HG, it would be safe to say that flat bettors would not be a cause of concern to casino’s.

A few members here would scoff at the suggestion that progression players could present a danger to the casino. However, the Blanc brothers were broken by Napolean 111 and after that introduced table limits. His bank was bigger than theirs by a large margin.
Also remember the novel 13 Against the Bank.
If the base bet was 0.01 and the table limit was 100, I think many skilful roulette players would consider the conditions very favourable for themselves.

Now consider playing roulette on an airball machine.

Bias is no problem as the number is generated in a computer.
VB players are nullified by calling no more bets before launching the ball
That leaves progression players. Generally the casino wants to lure players by offering low base bets, so they have to be sure that they can contain the progression players.

In my opinion the machine would play as follows :

1.   The computer selects a random number
2.   Check if anyone is playing a high progression
3.   If so, are they covering the random number that the computer has chosen
4.   If so, go back to step 1 and choose a new random number
5.   Record the number
6.   Launch the ball and guide it to the chosen pocket

Now if government officials decide to check if the numbers are random, they would look at the numbers recorded on the hard drive and would never be able to see that the machine had “cheated”.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2019, 01:12:44 PM by Badger »
 
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rimsky

Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2019, 01:45:33 PM »

Now consider playing roulette on an airball machine.

Bias is no problem as the number is generated in a computer.

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Badger

Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2019, 02:45:11 PM »
If you look at the patents you will see that the number is generated in a computer and the technology allows the ball to be delivered to the chosen pocket.

Maybe not all or older machines, but certainly the latest ones. This has already been covered in posts by other members.
 
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thomasleor

Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2019, 02:48:15 PM »
Nicely put, Badger. I have written about this more times than I can count, but I ve stopped because people who want to bet at any cost will negate all odds, be it mathematical or technological, against them and go bet anyway. It is basically useless to write about how the gaming commissions work, or how the latest wheels and corresponding technology works against the gambler. But hey, have at it.

I like your style.
 
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petespin

Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2019, 02:58:19 PM »
U can't even imagine how new machines work , except "cheating" they put a lot of psychology In machine s program  as a player to take the wrong desicion , I 've already said about one type which selects from 9 no not from all 37!! Btw after all I like to play on a irballs simply Becoz the get lot of play thou have to pay out at some point , I can beat em more easy than live wheels .I 've seen people play at a irballs and complaint that loosing most of the time ..
 

mr j

Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2019, 03:45:45 PM »
Dont forget, its also classified as a SLOT game. Any casino game WITHOUT human interaction (dealer) is slots.

Ken
 

scepticus

Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2019, 03:57:14 PM »
" If you look at the patents you will see that the number is generated in a computer and the technology allows the ball to be delivered to the chosen pocket.!  Badger 

Of course it does  . This doesn't validate your conclusion that the software can change a selection when it sees a HIgh Progression.  Your posts seem to be sour grapes that you have lost and seek an excuse . Random is what Random does - messes with the minds of the inexperienced .If players think that there is cheating then surely they should steer clear.Those who  complain that they have been cheated when they " know " they are being cheated deserve all that they get .
   
We win - We Lose . Get over it     
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mr j

Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2019, 04:10:04 PM »
Do you cause s**t with everyone?
 

MickyP

Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2019, 06:39:04 PM »
U can't even imagine how new machines work , except "cheating" they put a lot of psychology In machine s program  as a player to take the wrong desicion , I 've already said about one type which selects from 9 no not from all 37!! Btw after all I like to play on a irballs simply Becoz the get lot of play thou have to pay out at some point , I can beat em more easy than live wheels .I 've seen people play at a irballs and complaint that loosing most of the time ..

Gamblers fallacy at its best.
The part in bold is a fascinating claim. You go boy!
 

scepticus

Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2019, 06:56:03 PM »
Do you cause s**t with everyone?
With everyone  who misleads newbies ? Yes !    With everyone who claims that they make a living without showing the area of their claimed expertise ? Yes !   With everyone who claims  that winning at roulette is EASY ? Yes !
With Micky boy wno doesn't know the difference between 3 in 4 and 4 in 4  amd calls me a liar because he  lacks understanding   ? Yes !  With Mickyboy  who  joined this forum in 2017 as a newbie but posted that he had been a Roulette  Professinal since 2016? Yes ! with Micky boy who took his children with him on a job . In a casino ? Yes !  With  Mickyboy who lost a client .  Yes ! 

You and Mickyboy are here as Attention Seekers to brighten up your sad little lives . Two Roulette  Professionals ?  LOL  ! 
 

MickyP

Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2019, 07:26:32 PM »
Do you cause s**t with everyone?
With everyone  who misleads newbies ? Yes ! LIKE YOURSELF SCEPTICUS.    With everyone who claims that they make a living without showing the area of their claimed expertise ? Yes ! I HAVE SHARED ENOUGH WITHOUT REVEALING TOO MUCH.   With everyone who claims  that winning at roulette is EASY ? Yes ! EASY WHEN YOU KNOW HOW.
With Micky boy wno doesn't know the difference between 3 in 4 and 4 in 4  amd calls me a liar because he  lacks understanding   ? Yes ! I KNOW THESE THINGS BUT YOU KEEP CHANGING YOUR WORDS AROUND.  With Mickyboy  who  joined this forum in 2017 as a newbie but posted that he had been a Roulette  Professinal since 2016? Yes ! ADDING YOUR OWN WORDS AGAIN. WHEN YOU JOIN THE FORUM YOU ARE A NEWBIE ON THE FORUM NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN PLAYING ROULETTE. with Micky boy who took his children with him on a job . In a casino ? Yes !T WAS A PHOTOGRAPHY JOB IN SOWETO, YOU CHANGE/ADD WORDS AGAIN. With  Mickyboy who lost a client .  Yes ! TRUE, BECAUSE I DON'T SUPPORT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION  OR BBBEE (Broad Based Black Economic Empowerment) I BELIEVE IN MERIT. THE BEST MAN FOR THE JOB.   

You and Mickyboy are here as Attention Seekers to brighten up your sad little lives . Two Roulette  Professionals ?  LOL  ! HAHAHAHA! Almost brought tears to my eyes. I'll pay more attention to your 9 blocks; pinkie promise, at least you can get some attention too.

The forum has been kind to you. Why did you get eaten alive on the other forums when you tried to introduce your 9 block thingy to them. They don't hate you but they hate your silly system because it fails even with the phony guarantee. It's a coin flip system.

 
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Badger

Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2019, 08:07:42 PM »
" This doesn't validate your conclusion that the software can change a selection when it sees a HIgh Progression." Scepticus

You are right. Of course it doesn't. But the technology makes it a possibility. If you read my post above you will see that it would be easy to cheat and no trail is left behind of any foul play. A perfect crime.

The concept of monitoring high progressions was made up by me as a means for casino's to protect themselves against progression players. I was speculating. Perhaps they could find another way to monitor ways that progression players operate.

Many players that I have watched randomly spread their units all over and it might be that some NUMBERS have 1 unit on them, other numbers 2 and other numbers 3 or more. This could hardly be called a progression. And that is why I chose to say that the casino would monitor higher progressions.

This is all hypothetical of course. I do believe that the technology exists to be able to cheat and that no one would be the wiser.

However, the reason I started this topic was to discuss 2 players that have won on airball for many years and why they could possibly be winning on machines, that a lot of people say cheat.

I personally do not play airball and apologise to any newbies that I may have inadvertently misled and especially for triggering and offending Scepticus.
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petespin

Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2019, 01:33:53 AM »
Back in time when u re seating in a machine your session s results was predetermined , eng those days act that way , in our times this have changed as the machine "decides" at real time and every single spin what to pay out and what to avoid as well , this is a  fact including slots , r oulettes etc , but let's say in airball play 8 guys and feed the machine , its impossible to loose all of them ,some, well, 1 or 2 will win , most of the time  that guy who s playing for low stakes , these are very simple things to figure out , in addition if we take for granted that live wheels are true number generators there u 'll be experienced with more complex  results than auto  machines as machines do have limits , if u re able to sit and analyze thousands of spins of both wheels u can see the difference comparing the outcomes .
 

petespin

Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2019, 06:19:19 AM »
And to settlethethings in the right order I must point out something its common sense ,order tech machines in act controlled by pay out-in precentage  that chip send order to rng as how someone  s feed the machine the odds changed , well its not fix but at some types work that way
 

petespin

Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2019, 06:40:02 AM »
Ian sorry about wrong typing but now let's see about a irballs , its also common sense to play only when machine gets lot of play , second u need a really smart bet selection, no progressions, at some point u 'll be cheated as well , u can't avoid it , but if u re experienced on this it will be very rare , that's important .