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Sputnik

Marigny De Grilleau - Abstract Theory
« on: February 05, 2019, 03:49:36 PM »


I want to elaborate about a theory:

a) Singles versus larger series
b) Series of two versus larger series
c) Series of three versus larger series
d) Series of four versus larger series
And so it continues …

Marigny De Grilleau talk about overrepresented and underrepresented events, imbalance and correction.
The deviation from the norm.

The values are as follows

Singles has the value of 1
Series of two has the value of 0
Series of three has the value of 1
Series of four has the value of 2
Series of five has the value of 3
And so it continues

Same for a, b, c, d …

Series of two has the value of 1
Series of three has the value of 0
Series of four has the value of 1
Series of five has the value of 2
Series of six has the value of 3
And so it continues

Now, look at this theory that has not been tested.
Assume we would live in a perfect world and get a perfect sequence.
Where the deviation of the norm increase step by step with no present regression/correction for each level.

For example, if I play against singles my expectation is to get a series of three.
Assume I use a benchmark or a certain value for each level where the overrepresented events have to reach for example 2.07 Z-Score.

I have a 36 step progression winning two in a row.
That cover six stages.

That would be six singles with no series of three, first level reaching 2.07 Z-Score
Second, if we lose, would be to wait for a series of two to aim for a series of four, if we lose again we reach 2.07 Z-Score
The third time, if we lose, we wait for a series of three to become a series of five.
The fourth time, if we lose, we wait for a series of four to become series of six.
The fifth time, if we lose, we wait for a series of five to become series of seven.
Time six, if we lose, we wait for a series of six to become series of eight.

Do you see the magic of the deviation of the norm only need to regress with two events in any given situation?
This means that you would have a 300 trail sample where the singles and series hit in perfect order.
With other words a 300 sample with no variance.

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1. Z-Score 0,02 -  1 singles contra 1 serie of three
 2. Z-Score 0,73 -  2 singles contra 1 serie of three
 3. Z-Score 1,18 -  3 singles contra 1 serie of three
 4. Z-Score 1,53 -  4 singles contra 1 serie of three
 5. Z-Score 1,82 -  5 singles contra 1 serie of three
 6. Z-Score 2,07 -  6 singles contra 1 serie of three
 7. Z-Score 2,30 -  7 singles contra 1 serie of three
 8. Z-Score 2,51 -  8 singles contra 1 serie of three
 9. Z-Score 2.58    9 singles contra 1 serie of three
10. Z-Score 2,70 - 10 singles contra 1 serie of three
11. Z-Score 2,89 - 11 singles contra 1 serie of three
12. Z-Score 3,06 - 12 singles contra 1 serie of three
13. Z-Score 3,22 - 13 singles contra 1 serie of three
14. Z-Score 3,37 - 14 singles contra 1 serie of three
15. Z-Score 3,52 - 15 singles contra 1 serie of three
16. Z-Score 3,66 - 16 singles contra 1 serie of three
17. Z-Score 3,80 - 17 singles contra 1 serie of three
18. Z-Score 3,93 - 18 singles contra 1 serie of three
19. Z-Score 4,06 - 19 singles contra 1 serie of three
20. Z-Score 4,18 - 20 singles contra 1 serie of three
21. Z-Score 4,30 - 21 singles contra 1 serie of three
22. Z-Score 4,42 - 22 singles contra 1 serie of three
23. Z-Score 4,53 - 23 singles contra 1 serie of three
24. Z-Score 4,64 - 24 singles contra 1 serie of three
25. Z-Score 4,75 - 25 singles contra 1 serie of three
26. Z-Score 4,86 - 26 singles contra 1 serie of three
27. Z-Score 4,96 - 27 singles contra 1 serie of three
28. Z-Score 5,07 - 28 singles contra 1 serie of three
29. Z-Score 5,17 - 29 singles contra 1 serie of three
30. Z-Score 5,26 - 30 singles contra 1 serie of three
31. Z-Score 5,36 - 31 singles contra 1 serie of three
32. Z-Score 5,45 - 32 singles contra 1 serie of three
33. Z-Score 5,55 - 33 singles contra 1 serie of three
34. Z-Score 5,64 - 34 singles contra 1 serie of three
35. Z-Score 5,73 - 35 singles contra 1 serie of three
36. Z-Score 5,82 - 36 singles contra 1 serie of three
37. Z-Score 5,90 - 37 singles contra 1 serie of three
38. Z-Score 5,99 - 38 singles contra 1 serie of three
39. Z-Score 6,07 - 39 singles contra 1 serie of three

Made a short 300 sample from todays random org file.
30 hits on level one and 2 hits on second level.

a) 30
b) 2
c)
d)
e)
f)

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2
1 L
2 L
2 W
2 W 1 LEVEL
1
2 L
2 W
1 L
2 L
2 W
2 W 1 LEVEL
1
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1 L
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1 W 1 LEVEL
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GIAJJENNO

Re: Marigny De Grilleau - Abstract Theory
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2019, 04:01:31 PM »
Hi,

Very good approach, but similar hatdtounderstand...how is it looking in real gameplay?
 

Sputnik

Re: Marigny De Grilleau - Abstract Theory
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2019, 04:31:31 PM »


Feel free to ask question, if this method works you can apply it to stockmarket, bitcoins, forex, roulette, baccarat, sic bo. craps. The advantage of this method is that you can play one side only using same concept, not all methods work that way and are dependent on two random streams.

Let me explain with some clarification.

Singles versus series of three.
Then your enemy is six singles and series of two and series of three is your winning target.
The expectation is to hit a series of three before you get six singles.
And during this process each series of two break even and let you bet again without winning or losing.

Same with series of two versus series of four.
Where series of three allow you to break even.
And the same way for the other increasing events.

Assume you play and get six singles and unknown amount of series of two.
Then the next bet start with the first series of two and now you play against six series of two and aim to catch a series of four. Assume you lose again and get six series of two and unknown amounts of series of three.
Then the next series of three that show you play to catch a series of five and assume you lose.
Then you have six series of three with unknown amount of series of four.
And so it continues…

DO YOU KNOW SEE THE DEVATION FROM THE NORM WITH NO PRESENT VARIANCE

First you get six singles and series of two after that you get unknown amount of singles and six more series of two and now you get at least six series of three and unknown amount of series of four.
And so it continues with no variance into the other direction.

Hope this help.

Cheers
« Last Edit: February 05, 2019, 04:44:59 PM by Sputnik »
 
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Sputnik

Re: Marigny De Grilleau - Abstract Theory
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2019, 06:30:19 PM »


 Well i run some RX simulation and is not working - but it was a fun idea …

 Cheers
 
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Stratege

Re: Marigny De Grilleau - Abstract Theory
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2019, 05:20:18 PM »
Sputnik, tu as présenté une très bonne idée. La progression en 36 termes est aussi très bien (je n’utilise pas de progression négative mais la Piquemouche, je la trouve très intéressante). Jusqu’à maintenant, j’ai vu 64 "spins" sans aucun "single". Pour peut-être valider ton idée, il faudrait un retard important des "singles" et que les séries de longueur 2 soient trop nombreuses. Ceci permettrait de bloquer ces séries de longueur 2 qui feraient perdre ton principe d'attaque. Cette seconde condition (écart positif) est indispensable.

Je suis désolé d'écrire « in french » mais, on critique les mots que j’ai mal traduit en anglais, alors j’ai pris cette décision pour ma tranquillité. 
« Last Edit: August 17, 2019, 05:38:38 PM by Stratege »
 

Third

Re: Marigny De Grilleau - Abstract Theory
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2019, 04:53:47 AM »

Sputnik, you presented a very good idea. The progression in 36 terms is also very good (I do not use a negative progression but Piquemouche, I find it very interesting). So far, I have seen 64 "spins" without any "single". To perhaps validate your idea, it would take a big delay of the "singles" and that the series of length 2 are too numerous. This would block these series of length 2 which would lose your principle of attack. This second condition (positive difference) is indispensable.

I'm sorry to write "in french" but, we criticize the words that I translated badly in English, so I made this decision for my peace.
 

MickyP

Re: Marigny De Grilleau - Abstract Theory
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2019, 07:56:34 AM »
PMS , I don't think you are to blame for bad translation. Google has difficulty translating poorly constructed sentences.

Not to worry...What do they say?...So many words, so little time.
At least you make the effort and there are some that understand you.  ;D
 

Sputnik

Re: Marigny De Grilleau - Abstract Theory
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2019, 08:46:36 AM »


 
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scepticus

Re: Marigny De Grilleau - Abstract Theory
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2019, 02:17:22 PM »
" Marigny De Grilleau talk about overrepresented and underrepresented events, imbalance and correction.
The deviation from the norm."    Sputnik
First . You need to determine what is "the norm " . ( in roulette )  ;D
 

Sputnik

Re: Marigny De Grilleau - Abstract Theory
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2019, 02:57:15 PM »


Statege I will send you a private message about this method, there is different long term winners with different solutions - my opinion.

Write you tomorrow.

Scepticus this is the NORM you bet against.

In a perfect world where you would get the following number on a roulette wheel.
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36

Now if you would all number to show one each and in numerical order you would have the perfect sequence.
That would not be the NORM

The NORM would be getting different numbers and repeaters.

Same with EC ...
In a perfect world you would get six singles, six series of two, six series of three, six series of four, six series of five, six series of six, six series of seven, six series of eight.

That is many levels and i can cover 36 using one progression winning two in a row.
For example, one single has the same value as one serie of three, this means i win two in a row.
For example one serie of two has the same value as a serie of four, this means i win two in a row.
For example one serie of three has the same value as one serie of five, this means i win two in a row.
For example one serie of four has the same value as one serie of six , this means i win two in a row.

Look at Marignys playing model above.

But the norm is that you get series of three and series of five and three singles and one serie of eight and four singles and one serie of three and two more singles and seven series of two and one serie of three and one serie of five.

That is the NORM erratic and imbalance and you can profit upon that.

Cheers
 
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Stratege

Re: Marigny De Grilleau - Abstract Theory
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2019, 03:24:24 PM »
Scepticus, « the norm » est un terme très approprié pour parler de la « loi normale ». Si vous prenez un grand nombre d’échantillons de « spins », ces échantillons suivront une distribution selon la « loi normale » (appelée aussi courbe de Gauss).

En revanche, en une semaine, vous avez utilisez au moins 2 fois le terme « hypothèse » et je ne comprends pas le sens que vous donnez à ce mot (et nous nous sommes mal compris dans la discussion de Gia). Je connais bien ce mot dans le cadre de l’expérimentation scientifique (une hypothèse est une affirmation provisoire qui permet au chercheur de présenter la base de son expérience. Ensuite, le protocole expérimental permettra de démontrer si l’hypothèse générale est exacte ou pas). Il faut souligner que le mot « hypothèse », utilisé en science, vient du langage courant, parce que ce mot signifie la même chose en science, sinon, les chercheurs auraient inventé un mot plus adéquat, et donné une définition plus particulière. Donc, nous devrions nous comprendre, relativement à un mot très simple !
« Last Edit: August 18, 2019, 03:32:47 PM by Stratege »
 

scepticus

Re: Marigny De Grilleau - Abstract Theory
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2019, 05:43:29 PM »
" The NORM would be getting different numbers and repeaters."

Insightful !
 

Third

Re: Marigny De Grilleau - Abstract Theory
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2019, 08:28:24 PM »
The norm is the Law of the Third.
 

scepticus

Re: Marigny De Grilleau - Abstract Theory
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2019, 11:22:01 PM »
Third 
 You said 
The NORM would be getting different numbers and repeaters."and also " The Law of the Third "
There are quite a few " norms ".

or do you mean YOUR  Law  ?    ;D
 
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scepticus

Re: Marigny De Grilleau - Abstract Theory
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2019, 11:29:19 PM »
Stratege

I use " hypothesis " in the normally accepted sense .
" a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation."
I accept that I do not know what future winning numbers will be. I think that is  being realistic , You don't . Tough !