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Greek

B and M Live Play
« on: December 31, 2018, 04:34:22 PM »
Is there a strategy used in live play where the player has to bet every spin and still make a substantial profit?Is there a strategy used in live play where the player has to bet every spin and avoid a huge draw down?Is there a strategy used in live play where the player has to bet every spin and use no progressions and still win?

Does this kind of strategy exist?

I ask these questions because in B and M live play, you have to play every spin.

 

MickyP

Re: B and M Live Play
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2018, 05:19:45 PM »
If you are at a B/M table you DO NOT have to play every spin.
 

Greek

Re: B and M Live Play
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2018, 08:35:55 PM »
In Las Vegas you do. They may let you skip a few. But the pit boss will notice. He / she will tell the dealer to enforce the must bet rule, especially if it's busy.
So, is there a strategy that survive a bet every spin scenario, other than hit and run?
 

mr j

Re: B and M Live Play
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2018, 09:41:31 PM »
Yep, the entire thing is, IF ITS BUSY. You are taking up a chair and taking up a color if you think you can just sit there. Back when I needed spins first (lol), every 4th spin I would bet the min on a color. The basic unwritten rule is, if its NOT busy and you need spins first, bet the min maybe every 6th spin on a color. If it IS busy, see above. If I was using dollars and was the only person at the table and it was a $5 min bet. I would bet on 5 DS's. Also what I would do and it would piss others off >> say its me and one other clown at the table.

I might put the min on a color. The dealer now has to spin. The other guy gets mad because I'm fast so he quickly lays down his chips. At the last second before the dealer waves off, I remove my EC bet (lol). I technically did nothing wrong. I get my FREE spin and wasted no money. You cannot do that if you are the ONLY person at the table.
« Last Edit: December 31, 2018, 09:43:54 PM by mr j »
 

palestis

Re: B and M Live Play
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2018, 11:36:16 PM »
In Las Vegas you do. They may let you skip a few. But the pit boss will notice. He / she will tell the dealer to enforce the must bet rule, especially if it's busy.
So, is there a strategy that survive a bet every spin scenario, other than hit and run?
This is a major problem in US casinos. If you get colored chips and occupy a seat you have to bet almost all spins. That is why some players get universal cash chips. So they can place a bet and then they can leave the table or stop playing. (That's the true meaning of hit and run).
It is a serious problem  because with $5 cash chips you can't place inside bets if someone else is using  those chips already.  (and often times someone is using those chips).
So if there is a trigger ready to go, you might not be able to place bets if someone else came just before you and  started playing with those $5 cash chips.
So all the waiting time goes wasted.
There are no $10 cash chips, and the only way is to bet with $25 cash chips or $100. (rarely anybody is using those chips inside).
But you need a huge B/R to play with these high value chips.
Or you are forced to play outside bets.
No system can survive perpetual betting.
The only way around it, is to use $1 color chips as decoy, ( like 6 DS's and hope 0,00 doesn't come up) and bet the minimum required.
When you feel your system kicks in, then you can use high stacks of chips for your target bets.
But you should be willing to sacrifice many $1 chips for the decoy activity. Which leads again to a high B/R.
That's the only way around this problem.
On top of that there is another problem.
When you win you have to exchange the colored chips for cash chips before you leave the table.
That means you have to put the dealer to work and also the pit boss.
When  you do that often in the same casino (if there is no choice of many casinos ), eventually you will be noticed. (especially when they know how much you started with and how much you collect when leaving the table going to the cash office).
« Last Edit: December 31, 2018, 11:55:59 PM by palestis »
 
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mr j

Re: B and M Live Play
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2018, 11:50:26 PM »
"So if there is a trigger ready to go, you might not be able to place bets if someone else came just before you and  started playing with those $5 cash chips.
So all the waiting time goes wasted" >> This is why I always talk about,,,,,,playable in actual B&M conditions!!!!!!!
"That is why some players get universal cash chips. So they can place a bet and then they can leave the table"
>>> Nope, depends on where you are at. Here, if you place chips and walk away, the dealer will REMOVE your chips. Again, is it PLAYABLE under all B&M conditions !!!!!!
« Last Edit: January 01, 2019, 08:02:01 AM by kav »
 

palestis

Re: B and M Live Play
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2019, 12:16:51 AM »
No. Walk away after the spin. Y would you walk away before the spin?
The point is you don't have to stay at the table and continue playing with cash chips.
You can leave that table anytime. Whether you won the spin or lost the spin.
The problem with American casinos is not just the 00.
It is the playing conditions too.
I don't know about the rest of Europe but the casino I was playing in, is a dream for playing conditions.
First, you can play in as many tables as you like simultaneously, even with colored chips for every particular  table.
Second, anybody can use similar cash chips in the same table at the same time.
(they use the camera often due to conflicts among players).
Third , if you get colored chips you don't have to bet every bet. You can take all the time in world.

 
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mr j

Re: B and M Live Play
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2019, 12:40:32 AM »
"The point is you don't have to stay at the table and continue playing with cash chips" >> I agree with that but you stated, walk away after the spin. Here again, lets say it spins and you walk away and your number hits. Your chips are returned to you WITHOUT your win. Some people lay chips, go to the bathroom, their number hits, they come back and get paid $0.

"Third , if you get colored chips you don't have to bet every bet. You can take all the time in world" >> Here, it all depends on if you are taking up a chair spot. Other people standing behind you, want to play. This is why I get STRICT with myself when it comes to creating a method. I make sure it is ALL playable. I have ALL "what ifs" covered.
« Last Edit: January 01, 2019, 08:01:24 AM by kav »
 

palestis

Re: B and M Live Play
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2019, 03:06:45 AM »
I don't understand y it is so hard to understand what I mean by walking away after the spin.
it means that you wait for the results, get paid if you won then move on, or leave if you didn't.
The statement was to make the contrast between cash chip bets and color chip bets.
With cash chips you are free to move on. With colored chips you have to remain at the table, or exchange for cash chips before you move on.
And by the way in European casinos if you win and you are in the bathroom,  they set the winnings aside, but the winning chip remains on the number.
If you win again they do the same for up to 3 times.
Then they try to locate you and give you what is rightfully yours.

« Last Edit: January 01, 2019, 03:25:44 AM by palestis »
 
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Greek

Re: B and M Live Play
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2019, 03:54:42 AM »
My suspicions are spot on. There is no one here who has a strategy that can profit from live play in a B and M, betting every spin, flat bet only, 50 spins minimum.

If anyone know of such a person, please, I would like to know.
 

mr j

Re: B and M Live Play
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2019, 06:25:03 AM »
"I don't understand y it is so hard to understand what I mean by walking away after the spin.
it means that you wait for the results, get paid if you won then move on" >> Got it. I thought you meant literally, place bet, wait for spin,,,,,,go to the bathroom and take a s**t type of walk away.
 
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Third

Re: B and M Live Play
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2019, 10:35:46 AM »
Wow I am thankful I have a B & M method that can bet (once initial observation is over), continuously.  I detest how that they $5 as the minimum chips though.  :'(
 

dobbelsteen

Re: B and M Live Play
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2019, 12:13:07 PM »
Holland casino has a monopoly for all the table games. The whole profit of the casino is for the government. The casino is not really interested in the profit. This is one reason the Dutch legal casinos are the most friendly ones without applied rules. In my early roulette days I played on all the activated tables. Sometimes I had my chips on three tables in the same time .

There is one disadvantage at the real table namely you can take your bet back after the payout of all the bets

Now I play only at the terminals of the real tables. The terminals are connected with 5 real tables

 
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mr j

Re: B and M Live Play
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2019, 09:15:01 PM »
We just had a guy last week, he bet $50 on the 21 ($1,750). Lays his chips and walks away to get a soda, I think? Comes back, looks at the history board, the 21 did hit. All he got paid was his $50 bet (rofl). Whenever they walk away, I root for their number to hit even if I'm not on it.
 
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Re: B and M Live Play
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2019, 10:07:27 PM »
Is there a strategy used in live play where the player has to bet every spin and still make a substantial profit?Is there a strategy used in live play where the player has to bet every spin and avoid a huge draw down?Is there a strategy used in live play where the player has to bet every spin and use no progressions and still win?

Does this kind of strategy exist?

I ask these questions because in B and M live play, you have to play every spin.


What you are describing looks like a good fit for Jack Kennedy's Positional Roulette. It ticks all your criteria and is a very good way to play if you have some wits about you!
I think there are already a few threads on here regarding the strategy. On saying that, here is the manual from the wayback machine.

newbielink:http://web.archive.org/web/20021209001742/http://www.sq-ro-let.com:80/contents.html [nonactive]

 
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