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solaris

Results for Scepticus 9 Block theory for Dozens
« on: December 28, 2018, 02:07:07 PM »
Scepticus had published his favorite 9 Block theory, I understand the approach from here: https://www.roulettelife.com/index.php?topic=263.msg4377#msg4377. He put it with detailed explanation here: https://www.roulettelife.com/index.php?topic=263.0 
  I am fan of methods on dozens, although I never played the dozen method that Scepticus described here on B&M table, I wanted to write code to test it for two reasons- one, to check how it performs and two, author is strong believer of these methods.
 
  I tested two input files(with initial BR of 1000 units), results are not that bad:
 
  first file produced:
                             NEW HIGH BALANCE OVERALL: 1293
                             ALL TIME LOW BALANCE: 991   
  second file produced:
                            NEW HIGH BALANCE OVERALL: 1057
                            ALL TIME LOW BALANCE: 859
                 
   fileplay is attached for your reference with sample input files.
   
   @Scepticus: please let me know if I have understood your approach as you wrote. I can correct the code if you think I did not get it!! or if the output files have bugs.
                             
 
 
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scepticus

Re: Results for Scepticus 9 Block theory for Dozens
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2018, 04:41:15 PM »
Thanks for your post solaris.

I have no knowledge of coding so cannot comment on the validity of your coding.

What I am really arguing is that if there is a guarantee of outcome then PAST SPINS must have a bearing on FUTURE SPINS. I regard that is a matter of fact , not opinion. From that fact it MAY be possible to construct a method that caters for the House |Edge .  I think you have proved that such a method IS possible so I rest content with that .

The other point I make is that Probability Theory deals only with Possibilities and not the Certainties that some claim that it does. When you are dealing with an infinite number of possible events an event that can conceivably happen might have probability of zero  and a probability of 1 doesn’t guarantee that the evident  will happen.  No one knows until AFTER the event  and we should accept that in forecasting a future event the result of which is uncertain  the best we can do is make an educated guess . There is no magic bullet !

Your figures  for Drawdowns are in line with mine except that by playing for longer than 2000 spins I did encounter a couple of losses .

Thanks again for your interest .
 
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solaris

Re: Results for Scepticus 9 Block theory for Dozens
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2018, 05:08:38 PM »
scepticus,

I didn’t post any code, rather the documented output of live play from past spin files. Just by looking at it would you know if I followed the method in principle.

Regarding probabilities I concur with you.

And, of course it’s a very valid method. Lot of other methods I coded before, actually none had passed these two input spin files that I mentioned, it proves that it at least will protect our BR if it doesn’t profit us so much.

Cheers.
 

MrPerfect.

Re: Results for Scepticus 9 Block theory for Dozens
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2018, 06:49:25 PM »
@Solaris. ..
   Please forgive my ignorance.  I looked file you uploaded on phone..  just lots of numbers. 
   Could you populate what has been done? Was the method tested for so many spins as numbers there?  Where files are coming from ( with spins)... how much chips profit was achieved per spin on average.
   Thank you for your time answering it.
 
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solaris

Re: Results for Scepticus 9 Block theory for Dozens
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2018, 08:14:08 PM »
MrPerfect,

No problem, thanks for having a look at. You need to be looking at out_* files.

I tested the method against 10k spin file and around 4K spin file. Input Files are from two different sources of past spins, one from Wiesbaden and other from live tables.

For each bet of play, I have balance printed according to resultant number.

If anything is not clear, I would be glad to clarify.

 

scepticus

Re: Results for Scepticus 9 Block theory for Dozens
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2018, 08:37:46 PM »
Yes, solaris , you did understand what I was trying to get across

You illustrated the 1-2 x-4 of the four options.
Reyth would have appreciated your handiwork.
It can be boring playing this but I prefer Boring to  Bankruptcy.
Do you mind if I copy / paste tis to my site to act as a counterweight to all the negative posts ?
 
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solaris

Re: Results for Scepticus 9 Block theory for Dozens
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2018, 09:02:12 PM »
You may use the files in your site.

By the way what’s your site address?
 
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mr j

Re: Results for Scepticus 9 Block theory for Dozens
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2018, 09:27:15 PM »
Is it playable in a fast paced B&M? Calculations & chip placement?
 
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solaris

Re: Results for Scepticus 9 Block theory for Dozens
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2018, 09:54:20 PM »
It is very easy to play on fast paced B&M, you just need to take a print of all 9 sets of 4 numbers- each set represents four possible dozens from first page of out_* file.

a) Always wait for first 2 spins, then match the first two dozens against first two dozens of one of 9 sets.

b) You have found a match in one of the 9 sets, say 1,1,2,2 by looking at the sheet because first two spin results are for example numbers 10 and 11, that belong to dozen 1,1.

c) Since 3rd dozen in the set is, 2, we simply bet 1 unit each on dozen 1&3( here idea is we bet that dozen 2 will lose).
If we actually lose this bet(assuming dozen 2 occurs in 3rd spin), then repeat from step a. Else go to step d).

d) Now bet 3 units on dozen 2. Irrespective of any result, you go to step a).

That’s all, it just takes 2-3 seconds actually.

 
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scepticus

Re: Results for Scepticus 9 Block theory for Dozens
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2018, 05:22:22 AM »
OOPs !    Silly me .
I meant thread not site. I did have a basic Do-It -Yourself site but stopped it .No forum. No discussion. Just take-it -or -leave it systems' Just like my thread  Scep's roulette strategies - in this forum.
I wish you had been here when I first started it . It  MAY have saved a lot of arguments.  ;D
Ken will choke on his false teeth  if he decides to bet 2 dozens on the same spin  !   ;D
 

mr j

Re: Results for Scepticus 9 Block theory for Dozens
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2018, 04:36:52 PM »
"Ken will choke on his false teeth  if he decides to bet 2 dozens on the same spin" >> I would never play this. Too many numbers.
 
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scepticus

Re: Results for Scepticus 9 Block theory for Dozens
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2018, 05:54:57 PM »
Ken
you have been playing roulette for a number of years yet you haven't  yet found a  strategy ?You tell us that you are still learning - after all those years .  You have posted a  system for  Hot Numbers - you have posted a system  for Cold numbers  but you haven't posted what KIND of bet you make to make your living . Why not ?   You have mentioned you USED TO DISCUSS good methods with others so why not post these here and now ? THAT would be " sharing" wouldn't it ?
 

mr j

Re: Results for Scepticus 9 Block theory for Dozens
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2018, 03:40:13 AM »
Ken
you have been playing roulette for a number of years yet you haven't  yet found a  strategy ?You tell us that you are still learning - after all those years .  You have posted a  system for  Hot Numbers - you have posted a system  for Cold numbers  but you haven't posted what KIND of bet you make to make your living . Why not ?   You have mentioned you USED TO DISCUSS good methods with others so why not post these here and now ? THAT would be " sharing" wouldn't it ?


I dont know where to start with this pile of a mess. I have not yet found a strategy (method)? (lol) Says who, not me. As I have ALREADY posted, I have 3 main ones I use. Are the EXACT rules posted? No. Will they ever be? No. Of course I'm still learning. We ALL are, even AP. Can I get a DATE regarding when the COLD number method was posted? You asked why I no longer discuss methods anymore? I answered that already, won't do it again. You guys sure do ASK the same questions over and over (lol).

Ken

 
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scepticus

Re: Results for Scepticus 9 Block theory for Dozens
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2018, 04:01:19 AM »
all i am asking ken is to give us an idea of the method / s you use .

You say you use 3 methods . Are they based on Cold numbers  /  Hot numbers  /  streaks - or what ?

Not too difficult  to answer is it ? 

And if you are still learning   after years at the game then you have nothing worthwhile .
 
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mr j

Re: Results for Scepticus 9 Block theory for Dozens
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2018, 04:12:05 AM »
all i am asking ken is to give us an idea of the method / s you use .

You say you use 3 methods . Are they based on Cold numbers  /  Hot numbers  /  streaks - or what ?

Not too difficult  to answer is it ? 

And if you are still learning   after years at the game then you have nothing worthwhile .


(rofl) If you ask me a question or make a statement, make sure its VALID. You said I had a method for cold numbers. Why state that and then backoff on it? Dont say something unless you want to go toe to toe with me because I look at the WORDING very carefully.

"You say you use 3 methods . Are they based on Cold numbers" >> I answered this two weeks ago. Again?
I use a method based on hot numbers, a method from Turbo but I revised the rules & a method (my own creation) regarding COMPLETE a STREET. I have since updated the rules to it so all 400 past postings, are, outdated. Its a thing of fu***n beauty.

I ****easily**** come home with nice profits after playing it. MANY idiots at the casino follow my bets (which I damn HATE).  Again, would you not agree, we are ALL still learning this game? It would be arrogant to assume so-n-so knows everything. As well as Mike & Real.......they are also still LEARNING and yourself and me.
 
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