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MickyP

Sleeping Dozen
« on: October 14, 2018, 05:52:54 PM »
I'm curious to know how often a felt based dozen will sleep or go missing for 6 or more spins?
 

solaris

Re: Sleeping Dozen
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2018, 07:40:43 PM »
In my last visit during last weekend, I have seen DS 31-36 appeared 9 consecutive times on a table. This means 2 dozens were sleeping for 9 times. Many times I felt that repeat dozen with good progression will help, but yet to try.
 
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palestis

Re: Sleeping Dozen
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2018, 10:03:15 PM »
                As a matter of fact a single dozen sleeping for 6+ spins is a nice system to play.
As you walk around the tables, look for a dozen (or column), that has been sleeping for at least 6 spins.
Then play that dozen for only 3 bets. Or 4 bets if the minimum is very low.  (of course stop if you hit).
 If no hit within 3 spins, look for another dozen in another table or the same table that is absent for 6+ spins.
After extensive testing I found that it is very rare to lose 3 times (@ 3 spins each time), back to back.
And after one or 2 virtual losses (a dozen that has been sleeping for at least 6 spins and failed to appear after 3 bets),  it is guaranteed that in the next 2 triggers you will have a hit.
Progression is not the issue here. 
         The issue is how many times in  a row, a sleeping dozen for at least 6 spins, fails to appear in the next 3 playable spins. Check it out and see the results.
PS: Very easy to test:
Go to a site like Wiesbaden and look for a 6 spins missing dozen. Then see what happens in the next 3 spins. If no hit go on further and look for  the next dozen that is sleeping for 6 spins.
The focus should on the numbers of back to back losing triggers.
In real life at a casino things are a little different.
Since you can't place an order for a dozen that is missing 6 spins, you may come across a dozen sleeping for 8,10,20, spins or everything in between.
That's fine as long as it surpasses the predetermined minimum of 6 spins.   
« Last Edit: October 14, 2018, 10:33:04 PM by palestis »
 
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Re: Sleeping Dozen
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2018, 10:26:22 PM »
Just hopping in to give my 2 cents, everything below the 6 missed spins is a waste of time, everything above the 9 (6+3) is a waste of money.

A dozen or column has to hit within a specific range, those 3 bets, so by betting 3 times for 3 bets each I don't understand why is any different by betting 9 consecutive times for a dozen.

However, I do have my fallacy too, my experience shows that columns are more choppy than dozens, dozens have a repetitive nature.
So if you want to bet the way you described then better to go with columns.
 

solaris

Re: Sleeping Dozen
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2018, 05:58:54 AM »
I share same opinion that columns are more choppy.

Regarding taking test data from Wiesbaden or anywhere is that it can happen that they skip few of real results from displaying on monitors. Maybe one in 10 Numbers, then we have a problem to verify the methods.
 

MickyP

Re: Sleeping Dozen
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2018, 06:01:34 AM »
Thanks for an insightful reply Palestis. I know you have tested the dozens in many different ways. Your post above may serve well as a Hit and Run in a casino using Cash Chips and not colours.

I asked the question because I developed a dozen based method with an average hit rate of approx 85%. I have tested several thousand spins and the hit rate over sequences of 200/300/500 spins all hover around the 85% mark. I am very impressed with the positive results.

I know dozens can go missing for many spins and as Solaris put it, they can repeat just as often. The question is simply to  compare/relate any available stats to the results I've been getting in my tests.
 

solaris

Re: Sleeping Dozen
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2018, 06:11:08 AM »
May you share the new method here?
 

MickyP

Re: Sleeping Dozen
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2018, 06:25:02 AM »
I'd rather not at this stage because I'm still running tests. Posting a method that is still in the testing phase on the forum will simply attract negative comments from some corners. I may post it when I've completed my tests and developed a sound strategy for the method.

PM me and we can chat.
 

leowls

Re: Sleeping Dozen
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2018, 07:29:28 AM »
From my months of testing of results from Wiesbaden i can say its not uncommon at all. Variance spike is common and i have seen a dozen not hitting for 10 spins. I believe one can find that occurrence one or two times daily on their individual tables.
 

Mike

Re: Sleeping Dozen
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2018, 09:02:37 AM »
it is guaranteed that in the next 2 triggers you will have a hit.
No, it's not.  ::)
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my experience shows that columns are more choppy than dozens, dozens have a repetitive nature.
Then your experience is deceiving you. Think about it, both dozens and columns have the exact same probability of a win. Their variances are also the same. How then can their characteristics be different?
 
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rimsky

Re: Sleeping Dozen
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2018, 09:20:07 AM »
Well it's a wacky thing but my experience too shows that columns are more choppy than dozens  ???
 

rimsky

Re: Sleeping Dozen
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2018, 09:24:09 AM »
About the sleeping dozen I checked my record of past weeks playing a dozen system and occasionally a dozen sleeps for 22-23 spins
« Last Edit: October 15, 2018, 09:26:15 AM by rimsky »
 

MickyP

Re: Sleeping Dozen
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2018, 12:09:33 PM »
From my months of testing of results from Wiesbaden i can say its not uncommon at all. Variance spike is common and i have seen a dozen not hitting for 10 spins. I believe one can find that occurrence one or two times daily on their individual tables.

Thanks Leowls, this is in line with my test results so far, You hit the nail on the head,

The frequency of this occurrence (one dozen sleeping for more than six spins) is the best way I can put it without giving the game away. What I can say is that my play is pretty regular; only on the rare occasion do I wait for six spins or more to begin play.


 

palestis

Re: Sleeping Dozen
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2018, 03:42:07 PM »
About the sleeping dozen I checked my record of past weeks playing a dozen system and occasionally a dozen sleeps for 22-23 spins
Yes a dozen can sleep for that long. But that's not the issue here. Because you will only place 3-4 bets. So how can this situation hurt you if you abandon after 3 bets?
Experienced roulette players and testers know that extreme situations do not occur in consecutive
 ( back to back), fashion.
If after the first trigger (6+ spins of a missing dozen ), the dozen goes on to be missing for more spins than the bets you will play, it highly unlikely to repeat the same pattern next time you see another trigger. And even more unlikely the triggers after that.
That is y you break up your betting in short bets after a new rigger, rather than a continuous non stop betting within the same trigger.
The reason being is that extremes or nearly extremes do not occur consecutively.
 That is a roulette fact.
And with the virtual loss concept, you are in good hands.
If not, then someone has to show me a dozen missing 10+ spins, then further down the same or another dozen missing for 10+ spins and then further down again missing for 10+ spins. 5 or more times in a row.
I haven't seen it in more than 15 years.
And this concept applies to many systems.
As more triggers appear, the target tends to comply within its statistical range.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2018, 04:29:01 PM by palestis »
 
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MickyP

Re: Sleeping Dozen
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2018, 05:33:44 PM »
Thanks Palestis.  In my tests I have come across a dozen sleeping on and off and when this happens there will be a red flag to indicate no cash bets. I have thus far encountered one set of three losses in a row but only lost the first because of a red flag in place.