### Author Topic: Can you afford to play many numbers?  (Read 7518 times)

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#### MickyP

##### Can you afford to play many numbers?
« on: October 02, 2018, 09:00:45 AM »
A very simple question: Can you afford to play many numbers?

I see methods popping up that require betting on many numbers and the advice is that flat betting is the way to go. Let's look at an example; playing 24 numbers as a constant amount of numbers being bet. You can bet the 24 numbers any way you wish, two dozens, four double streets, eight single streets and so on; you get the idea. Your win is always half of your bet so if you lose you have to win twice to break even. Winning 8 out of 12 games may sound good but it is devastating to say the least. just do the maths. This is where a high hit rate can still make you a loser.

Some players say it's all in the bet selection and again it sounds good but if you are betting on so many numbers how much consideration have you given to bet selection? No "drop the last and add the new" will change the odds for you. A simple rule like this was more than likely established as a result of a particular sequence of numbers used during a test to force a positive result. Do rules like this hold without hindsight? No! Will rules like this give you an edge? No! Many numbers and bet selection do not bake a cake. Bet selection has to be motivated but how do you motivate betting against yourself?

Do you really think playing many numbers supported by an inflated bankroll is a good approach to the game? I don't think so. The only time playing many numbers may be okay is when you are leaving the casino and you splash out for a one hit wonder.

#### Dane

##### Re: Can you afford to play many numbers?
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2018, 12:05:42 PM »
"You are now leaving the American zone"!
A certain Ludwig von Graph (lol) once wrote this in a book from HugenDubel (lol):
"NICHT ÜBERPFLASTERN"!

A sound piece of advice! TIME is still important, and you should NEVER spread too many chips. For my part I´ll try not to bet more than 18 numbers.
We ought to know the rules in the countries we operate in. It´s nice to notice that it is difficult to find the true American roulette. No Double Zero Trouble here! In the countries I like to play in (Denmark, Sweden and Germany) the rules at first sight seem to be best if you choose Simple Chances: When zero comes, you´ll (roughly speaking) only lose half of your bet on say Red. BUT MINIMUM BETS RIGHT THERE MIGHT BE HIGH ACCORDING TO THE RULES.. Taking advantage of a special rule can be mighty expensive, if another rule (minimum bet) forces us to bet much more at my B&R Casinos. SO INSIDE BETTING IS MUCH CHEAPER HERE. The cheapest chip can cover no more than six numbers (six line or double street).
Yes, I can afford to bet many numbers. I often combine streets and single numbers. It can take A LONG TIME before luck strikes, so you should be prepared and bring much money. Money you can afford to lose!
Struggling against being broke in a late hour is hard for your nervous system. Basic knowledge.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2018, 12:08:55 PM by Dane »

#### mr j

##### Re: Can you afford to play many numbers?
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2018, 01:15:17 PM »
In my experience, playing MANY numbers makes a bettor feel more comfortable. I think for rookie players, feeling comfortable, is more important than BR, bet selection etc.

Ken

#### scepticus

##### Re: Can you afford to play many numbers?
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2018, 01:58:27 PM »
A large bankroll is not needed to play .  And 17 numbers maximum.   Never bet Odds-On ! Or more than 5% of your bankroll on any one spin .
From  experience I now take only 40 chips to a table . Any chips won are not used so any chips won are salted away. I then carry on  till I win 60 chips - or lose the original 40.  Less  toil , sweat and tears   !

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#### gizmotron

##### Re: Can you afford to play many numbers?
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2018, 02:04:11 PM »
The question is "Can you afford to play many numbers?"

You can play as many as you want to if you keep track of the balance point. In the long run you win or lose at keeping track of your wins verses your losses with relation to the ratio that balances the number of numbers you bet on, and in some cases the values they are bet at. You might bet double your base bet value on one dozen and and your base bet value on another dozen. That is a single spin balanced bet that will balance itself in two trials. When you use 9 numbers to bet on you get 4 chances to balance. When you bet 12 numbers you get 3 spins to balance. When you bet 18 numbers you get 2 spins to balance. One win and one loss equals zero earned. So you ask yourself how many losses can I take to balance one win. If you bet 3 numbers per bet, flat betting, then you get 12 losses for each win in order to balance.

Once you know your balance points you can devise a strategy that takes into account your effectiveness in the current session. Your actual bet selections can be blind guessing, educated guessing, rule based system selections, ESP, pet numbers, your horoscope picks, the guy next to you's  win streak numbers, or a Kimo Li contraption selection. Whatever you chose you should deal with the results of your effectiveness. Or not, in which case you are playing for the house.

So my answer is yes if you keep track of the balance points and the effectiveness.

Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week.

#### mr j

##### Re: Can you afford to play many numbers?
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2018, 02:20:39 PM »
A large bankroll is not needed to play .  And 17 numbers maximum.

Disagree and disagree but.......no cash out of my wallet.

#### Greek

##### Re: Can you afford to play many numbers?
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2018, 02:38:37 PM »
"Can you afford to play many numbers?"
Absolutely, if your strategy has a high hit rate, then it does not matter, regardless of how many numbers you play.The only thing a player has to contemplate is how long they want to play and how much they want to make.

#### scepticus

##### Re: Can you afford to play many numbers?
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2018, 02:59:19 PM »
" Can you afford to play many numbers "Surely the answer is obvious .  Yes , If you can afford it !
So I took the question  to mean "can you afford to play many numbers - and profit  " ?
If you can afford to play 37 numbers then, of course , you can afford to play many numbers !   Will you profit  ?Go ahead and find out. And the best of luck  !  Play  more than 17 numbers means that you  need to win more than 1 out of every 2 bets to profit . Tough  !

#### scepticus

##### Re: Can you afford to play many numbers?
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2018, 03:05:00 PM »
Gizmo
If you bet 2 units on one dozen and 1 unit on another dozen you break-even whichever one wins ,And you are exposed to the other 13 numbers ,
So what strategy do you have to make a profit ? I thought you were a bacc player so do you actually play roulette ? and profit  ?

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##### Re: Can you afford to play many numbers?
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2018, 03:31:50 PM »
Apologize but I fail to see the point of such question, it's like you are asking: "can you afford to buy a diamond ring?".
What's the point, are you trying to say that betting many numbers is disadvantageous?
If this is what you really mean then there is NOT black and white, as long as someone has the winning number in his/her selection he/she would profit.

If we take no other consideration regarding the selection then yes, more numbers provide more wins but less profit.

#### gizmotron

##### Re: Can you afford to play many numbers?
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2018, 04:05:34 PM »
Gizmo
If you bet 2 units on one dozen and 1 unit on another dozen you break-even whichever one wins ,And you are exposed to the other 13 numbers ,
So what strategy do you have to make a profit ? I thought you were a bacc player so do you actually play roulette ? and profit  ?

Remedial arithmetic: One dozen pays 2 to 1. If I bet 2 on one dozen it pays 4 fro winnings for a total in hand of 6. If I bet 1 on the other dozen and it wins I get 2 in winnings and keep the 1 for an in hand total of 3. The combined bet for both dozens costs 3. So if the dozen with 1 unit on it hits it acts like an insurance for covering an extra 12 numbers. If both bets lose then I lose 3 units. If the dozen with 2 units wins then I win 3 units. So the bet is balanced. If the bet with 1 unit wins then it is like nothing happened.  The nice thing about this form of an Even Chance bet is that you can target the sleeping dozens. You could do that with flat betting too but this is less risk.

I'm a well known Roulette player for more than a decade. I have moved away from 24-26 numbers at a time to 18 numbers. I now also play Craps and will soon start playing Baccarat and Blackjack. I've mastered that art of a kind of minimalism and the suggestions made from effectiveness. You could call it a Money Management method. It's backed up by years of perfecting a self described "reading randomness" claim. I have proven to myself that following the best trends outperforms blind randomness selection. And I have proven to myself that bet selection alone is not enough.

#### Greek

##### Re: Can you afford to play many numbers?
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2018, 04:34:42 PM »
From Gizmo:

"I'm a well known Roulette player for more than a decade. I have moved away from 24-26 numbers at a time to 18 numbers. I now also play Craps and will soon start playing Baccarat and Blackjack. I've mastered that art of a kind of minimalism and the suggestions made from effectiveness. You could call it a Money Management method. It's backed up by years of perfecting a self described "reading randomness" claim. I have proven to myself that following the best trends outperforms blind randomness selection. And I have proven to myself that bet selection alone is not enough."
I have been following you for quite sometime, among others as well. You change your claims so much that it's very hard for me to see the credibility in your claims. Perhaps you finally found your "groove" in your approach. But there are other players that have already achieve that many years ago without making those claims.
My question to you is are you going to change your tune when your claim backfires when your approach fails. Or if it does not fail, are you going to continue to taunt the lessor players?

#### gizmotron

##### Re: Can you afford to play many numbers?
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2018, 05:07:44 PM »
I have been following you for quite sometime, among others as well. You change your claims so much that it's very hard for me to see the credibility in your claims. Perhaps you finally found your "groove" in your approach. But there are other players that have already achieve that many years ago without making those claims.
My question to you is are you going to change your tune when your claim backfires when your approach fails. Or if it does not fail, are you going to continue to taunt the lessor players?

OK, then let's run down the past 12 years. I started out with the hottest 3 numbers. Then I moved to 18 numbers, Even Chances, The Spike Period. Then I went to 24 to 26 numbers for about 9 or ten years. I told everyone about the Global Effect & the Effectiveness states. That's still one that is over your head I assume. Then I started dealing with my real nemesis. I had to tackle self control. It was not good enough to bang away descending while waiting for the super win streaks. To do this I went back to EC's and money management. I'm claiming that I have mastered my self control issues. What's more I have shared all the ups and downs without fear. It's exactly how I approached my mountain climbing period too. It's how I lived my life as a Windsurfer in the Sacramento Delta at the edge of San Francisco Bay. It is exactly how I went into and succeeded at Extreme Mountaineering Skiing. It's how I have become an accomplished lead guitarist. Same goes for being a self taught computer programmer. I start out at the bottom and keep going until I succeed. That is why I share my failures too. You don't actually believe that I represent perfection do you? This is gambling where everyone starts out as a failure. Life is way too short to waste it on keeping up appearances.

I'm pretty sure I've worked out the kinks in the past 3 months. But I reserve the right to disappoint you none the less. Thanks for your interest.

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#### scepticus

##### Re: Can you afford to play many numbers?
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2018, 05:41:34 PM »
You are  right gizmo. You profit if the 2 unit bet wins. I  wasn't thinking straight  there.

But  you still have no advantage . So you rely on being able to choose the dozen least likely to win.  Easier said than done   Frankly, I think your idea is a rookies one with little merit and  I m surprised that you are an experienced roulette player .

#### Greek

##### Re: Can you afford to play many numbers?
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2018, 05:44:24 PM »
I am sorry to disappoint you, what you know about Global Effect and Effectiveness states is not over my head. In fact, I have known this concept before you gave it a term. You think you have something above everyone else. You don't.

Simply put, I can afford to play many numbers, as the topic questions. I commend your accomplishments in your life. We all have stories that depict our characters in a good light. Failures are inevitable. You appear to have recovered from your failures. Only time will tell.