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On single numbers and one street. No progression
« on: September 14, 2018, 03:14:57 PM »
I have been writing a lot lately. On progressions too. Nevertheless my main focus is flat betting single numbers (masse égale on pleines). My new method also includes betting the most sleeping street  (three chips at a time) in area 1 to 36.

From the player´s point of view the lowest number at the table sometimes can be seen to the left.
At other times the lowest number of the table layout is on your right hand.
Anyway, area 1 to 36 can be seen in 12x3 fields there.

I prefer to analyze the spins in 6x6 fields or spaces. No lottery numbers, lotto or superstition here.
The six fields at the top are reserved for numbers 1 to 6.  The six fields at the bottom are reserved for 31 to 36.
I simply fill in the fields as the numbers come. Repeats are crossed out.

                                    (To be continued )
« Last Edit: September 14, 2018, 03:16:34 PM by Dane »
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Re: On single numbers and one street. No progression
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2018, 04:32:23 PM »
No superstition here. No magic square. The lowest DS belongs to the highest part of my square. The highest DS belongs to the lowest part of my square. I simply find 6x6 fields more interesting than 12x3 fields.
Any number in area 1 to 36 appearing only once is without a cross. Any number there appearing more than one time is crossed out.
The "oners" (without cross) tend to dominate the picture AT FIRST, say in the first part of the session.
Surprising clustering and patterns appear from time to time.

In my grid there are a number of DIAGONALS.
I am aware that you might not be used to look at diagonals within 6x6 fields, so I´ll present them here:

Four diagonal groups of two fields: 2-7, 5-12, 25-32, and 30-35.
Four diagonals withs three fields: 3-8-13, 4-11-18, 19-26-33, and 24-29-34.
Four diagonals with four fields: 4-9-14-19, 3-10-17-24, 13-20-27-34, and 18-23-28-33
Four with five fields: 5-10-15-20-25, 2-9-16-23-30, 12-17-22-27-32, and 7-14-21-28-35.
Two diagonals with six fields: 1-8-15-22-29-36 and 6-11-16-21-26-31.

I hope to see diagonals filled with "oners". So if 7 has come once, and 2 has not come at all,
I´ll place one chip at a time on Number 2.
If 4 and 11 has come one time each, and if 18 has not come at all, I´ll bet No. 18.
And so forth and so one.

Tomorrow I´ll tell how to handle repeats.
« Last Edit: September 14, 2018, 04:37:53 PM by Dane »


Re: On single numbers and one street. No progression
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2018, 07:17:28 AM »

1 and 36 only belong to one diagonal.
6 and 31 only belong to one long diagonal too.
Every other field in the grid is part of two diagonal of different length.
You´ll never know which one (if any) is the first one to be full of "oners".
Such a patterne is rewarded with winning (never place more than one chip at a time on any single number. Masse égale or flat betting, you know).
What I do count: The number of times I win when betting selected numbers already turned up once.
My goal: EXACTLY TWO  HITS (two selected numbers becoming repeats) BEFORE THE MOST SLEEPING STREET (in area 1 to 36) comes. I´ll also end the session if this street awakens.
As you might remember, I´ll bet 3 chips at a time on the most sleeping street.

                                                             (to be continued)
« Last Edit: September 15, 2018, 07:19:14 AM by Dane »


Re: On single numbers and one street. No progression
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2018, 09:02:24 AM »
This is the final part of my description.
I admit that this method may seem to be a bit strange and complicated, but now I`ll try to keep it simple.
The full diagonal thinking is restricted to "oners" only.

Straight up betting a few selected numbers already appearing once: Look inside streets!
In order to limit my bet selection I don´t just wager any performing number in the street.
I am winning there when one of those two patterns comes: xx   or   xxx.
See the point? Two or three numbers crossed out and no more "oners" in the street.
After winning with this pattern in a street, I´ll beg for dominating repeats in another street.
My goal is to win inside TWO streets in this way (I don´t count diagonal hits).
The session ends after two such hits - or if all twelve streets in the area have come.
(you remember three chips on the most sleeping street).

Examples inside street 22-24:
                                                               23    no bet                    23 24    no bet
       X24     bet #24   (#23  reappeared, you know).
  22X24  NO bet.                    22XX bet #22.
                                                                            Good luck and enjoy!

« Last Edit: September 15, 2018, 09:06:07 AM by Dane »


Re: On single numbers and one street. No progression
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2018, 07:28:01 AM »
Of course you need TIME to read and digest "the enormous manual" (first posts here)!
TIME is (still) most important. I did not come up with this method from one day to another.

You should take your time to test any method before risking money. My first test with the described method was done here: Roulette simulator simple.
Unfortunately it takes much time to test a method properly; and you may argue that I ought to do a million tests.   But so far I have only completed 33 sessions. They took 957 spins. On average:
Exactly 29 spins per session. And how many virtuel chips did I get out of it? 361. On average: 
               10.939 chips.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2018, 07:31:05 AM by Dane »


Re: On single numbers and one street. No progression
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2018, 09:14:18 AM »
I like the gold nugget you're dangling in front of us.  ;D

Will you please post an exel example of your method in play. I would like to evaluate it. I like the Flat Betting approach.
Do you play it in a B&M casino and do you have your own charts that you work off?

Thank you for posting.


Re: On single numbers and one street. No progression
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2018, 10:18:50 AM »
Thanks for your reply. Believe it or not: I am not really technically or mathematically skilled.
I know how to play piano, but excel stuff is foreign to me. To most of you it must seem old fashioned.
I appreciate if you´ll evaluate my method in a proper way, but I am unable to help you with technicalities. Sorry.
I have worked it out the hard way. With pen and paper.
Yes, I visit B&M Casinos from time to time. There I simply use a small piece of paper with 6x6 fields for each session with different flat betting methods. I have not had the time to test this method in particular properly. But my free tests show that you ought to have at least 400 chips ready just in case. Straight Up requires much money!


Re: On single numbers and one street. No progression
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2018, 12:10:57 PM »
I don't fully understand how you go about playing the method, how your 6x6 grid is laid out with the numbers and how you determine the most asleep street. When do you start betting the street? when it's the last street without a hit? A single street can sleep for a lot longer than the entire length of your game. How often do you win the street bet? It seems high risk even if you are flat betting.
You start crossing off from spin one and the longest your game goes on for is 29 spins or less if the two hits come sooner. Am I right?

Maybe with a bit more information I may be able to fully understand the method as you play it.


Re: On single numbers and one street. No progression
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2018, 01:00:39 PM »
Thanks for your interest. As you can imagine, it required much energy just trying to describe  the method. First and foremost I start with 6x6 BLANK SPACES reserved for numbers to come. Numbers in area 1 to 36.  I don´t write any number before it comes, and as I don´t believe in "Magic Squares" or anything like that, I´ll simply write the coming numbers from the area in the simplest possible way.
If the first DS has come with all of its numbers without any single number repeating itself, the upper part should be filled in like this: 1  2  3  4  5  6.
Accordingly the highest DS (31 to 36) belongs to the lowest part of the 6x6 fields.
The earliest number crossed out should be the first repeat. As simple as that. In this way we can clearly distinguish "oners" from numbers having appeared more than one time.
If you fill in all 36 fields,  you should be able to identify the DIAGONALS  and the related limited bet selection as explained in my 2nd  and 3rdpost.
The diagonal only interest me as long as there is no cross (repeat) in it. I don´t count how many times I win with this diagonal thinking. And I don´t count the number of spins. The 29 spins are simply THE AVERAGE duration of my first tests.
As I tried to explain, I hope to win twice inside two streets (my goal) with the other pattern, BEFORE the one and only missing street comes. I only bet this street, if I did not reach my straight up goal before it comes.
Many of us know that it can sleep very long. I have not counted how many of my sessions ended with a street hit. MAYBE it would be wiser to bet the TWO most sleeping streets and stop after hitting one of them, if we don´t reach the straight up goal?

                                 I´ll be glad to clarify more if needed.

« Last Edit: September 16, 2018, 01:05:41 PM by Dane »


Re: On single numbers and one street. No progression
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2018, 01:18:18 PM »
Thanks for the explanation Dane. I'll read the thread again and put pen to paper so I can get to grips with when you actually start betting and when you stop or do you always stop after two wins?
When do you abandon the singles and start with the street?
How many singles have you bet in one game.
Has your game exceeded 37 spins?
Do you use the law of thirds at all to monitor your game?


Re: On single numbers and one street. No progression
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2018, 07:19:08 AM »
Take your time ;D! It took me a long time to mix it.
For a long time I have watched diagonals in 6x6 fields. I know that diagonals would not be anyone´s first choice, so I took the time trying to present them in great detail. Think about this: In which order
are the diagonals filled in? Not always the smallest ones at first!
As you know, I win when any diagonal are full of  "oners". This ought to limit the bet selection to start with. And usually it takes time for several diagonals to manifest themselves as candidates without any cross. ANY diagonal with eeeeexactly one empty space and no cross (repeat) is a suitable candidate throughout the whole session. And I DON´T COUNT MY DIAGONAL HITS.

What I do count (as mentioned earlier): The number of times I win inside street as a result of repeats turning up. MY GOAL IS TO WIN INSIDE TWO DIFFERENT STREETS IN THIS WAY (flat bet). Should I reach this goal, I´ll STOP. Many sessions indicated that I often would reach this goal before all twelve streets had come. I don´t abandon single numbers at any point along the way. We should limit our bet selection, and I am afraid that six single numbers or so were wagered at the same time in some sessions.
I hate counting spins, and I don´t use "the law of the thirds". Certainly some sessions exceeded 37 spins, but the AVERAGE DURATION SO FAR (eeeeexactly29 spins ;)) OUGHT TO TELL US SOMETHING.

I simply start betting the one and only missing street (three chips at a time) when 11 of the 12 streets have come. I also end the session, if it does come. It MIGHT take too long as suggested in my question in my previous post.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2018, 07:21:55 AM by Dane »


Re: On single numbers and one street. No progression
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2018, 09:11:09 AM »
Dane, a few things that are red flags to me about your method. The first and most important is that it is not a practical method for B&M play. Just based on this fact, I'm out.
Many complicated things become easier with practice and I think that this method fits the bill.

I was trying to understand why a 6x6 block is the right option to use, Why not use the wheel number sequence in blocks of 5x6?

Why play the last street to hit? I find no reason to do this.

I will follow this thread with interest


Re: On single numbers and one street. No progression
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2018, 02:32:37 PM »
"Take tour time :)".
 Well, it did not take you long to give up this "game of Chess" :).
Of course this chess metafor is not chosen at random. The chess piece called BISHOP moves diagonally, you know.
I have tried to think outside the box or rather in another kind of box. For the mathematically challenged!
Using such methods for B&M play is not impossible (I have done it). I hope to inspire likeminded like mature, patient chess players. With some practice it can be used.

You are absolutely right in this: It is complicated. True!
In one respect it is rather simple, though: It is not difficult to find the right fields to fill in and cross out. I find it to be the most simple arrangement. Would your suggestion (wheel number sequences) make it easier? Not to me.

Furthermore: Finding sleeping streets in my simple arrangement is simple.
But if you see no reason to bet street that is not your problem.
My reason to add street to betting is this: Single numbers may not always be clustering as I want them to in the other streets in time. From time to time they fail to flock together in my pattern. If they don´t appear in a concentrated way in the other parts, I hope to end the session IN TIME if the most sleeping street comes. The average time (29 spins) tells me that I am not completely wrong.
Some patient, analytical player might be able to suggest better end games.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2018, 02:39:11 PM by Dane »


Re: On single numbers and one street. No progression
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2018, 03:54:14 PM »

  Dan I have played streets and main numbers for ever and playing hot streets or last streets are equaly good.
have done great doing that.
I stop after hitting my main number. that is key, and start hunting again.
your way of getting streets is great but not necessarely a must do in order to pick streets, but whatever one likes I always think he should play. it plays to our belief system and our faith in a system and that is important.
I like the strategy because it gets you to win even with "masse egale" if you wish. I include a slight progression but that is my preference.
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Re: On single numbers and one street. No progression
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2018, 10:16:45 AM »
Thanks for you encouraging words. Stopping right after hitting your main number is fine - provided that you hit it in TIME. We also know that one street can sleet much too long.
Wagering too many single numbers or streets at the same TIME is not the best solution.

I have decided to initiate a new test series. The only difference to the first version: I bet
3 chips each time on the only sleeping street in area 1 to 18 and
3       -       -          -       -   -       -        -                 -        -     -          19 to 36.
I´ll stop right after one street hit (or after winning single numbers in the same way as before).
The average time per session must be reduced in this way.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2018, 10:24:20 AM by Dane »