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Single dozen strategy
« on: August 03, 2018, 07:44:56 AM »
Hi guys
This is for single dozen plan of same Palestis plan but little modified, it's not tested, I have an idea and need help from senior friends to test it with how they do for 10000 spins and some google spreadsheet if it will work
I have had win slowly, but I need guidance and help

In Palestis plan of XXY YXX and XYX

The trigger is same but in stead of three spins we play for two spins and the progression is
11 22 33 44 55 etc and when there is a win go back one step

Why this is the question, why I thought about it?

Because in previous plan to recover losses we definitely need some wins in first or second spin after the trigger, if all the win comes in third spin, the recover is difficult, so we need wins in first and secomd spins and as I have seen in my live auto roulette, it regularly happens

To make it more profitable and safe we can either go for a two or three virtual loss or start with small chips and jump to big chip as per progression

Please somebody can help me testing these, I don't know how to do

And some reply if someone had tried it and if any longterm good result

Thanks and regards


Re: Single dozen strategy
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2018, 01:13:06 PM »
When you say progression 11,22,33,44,55 you mean per trigger? (2 bets per trigger instead of 3)?
I think that's what you mean.
Well,  that's a very good idea with a lot less risk if you are willing to exercise more patience.
There are 2 ways of doing it.
Play the  first and 2nd spin and then wait for a new trigger and do the same,
or a virtual loss for the first spin and play the 2nd and 3rd spin. Then do the same in the next trigger.
From long time testing, I found that the majority of wins come in the second and 3rd spin in a 3 spin scenario.
In this case a win in the first spin would be a  lost winning opportunity. But that's ok.
Reducing the risk of a high progression is much better than losing a winning opportunity.
Roulettes will spin for ever. A lost winning opportunity doesn't take away from a limited number of opportunities. Because roulettes spins is  an infinite quantity. It never runs out.
Yes I endorse this way of playing the single dozen very much, especially if B/R is an issue with a player.
Another way, much more stricter with much greater winning certainty,  is to use entire trigger virtual loss
For example TRIGGER 1: Virtual loss of 1st and 2nd spin
TRIGGER 2: Virtual loss of 2 spins again as above, then bet 2 spins in the 3rd trigger with actual money.
The more virtual losses the more it brings you closer to the maximum back to back losses the system can suffer. It also brings you closer to a certain hit, but with a lot less monetary risk.



Re: Single dozen strategy
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2018, 05:44:58 PM »
Thanks Palestis for the reply

Yes, the progression 11 22 33 means per trigger
First trigger 11, two bets
If loss 22 and so on

I bet after two or three complete virtual loss, full trigger

Just wanted to know how many back to back loss we can get if someone can test

I, personally came across 6 back to back loss, just once, 2 or 3 usually happens



Re: Single dozen strategy
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2018, 06:42:29 PM »
I had 4 b2b loss maximum after thousands of spins.


Re: Single dozen strategy
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2018, 11:20:06 PM »
6 back to back losses with 2 bets per trigger is exactly proportional to 4 back to back losses using 3 bets. Both situations are on the rare side and its not something you will encounter often
If 2-3 losses are happening often under 2 bets per trigger, then it's a very good idea to use 3 virtual trigger losses before you start betting on the 4th trigger forward.
Even if you run into 6 back to back losses, there is no danger on the B/R if you go with 11,22, 33, 44.
But really:
Will you always run into the extreme each and every time?  That's impossible
It may be a little boring if playing with very small chips, but with large chips like $50 and $100 it is nice to know that certainty is on your side and not the casino's side
« Last Edit: August 03, 2018, 11:21:51 PM by palestis »


Re: Single dozen strategy
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2018, 04:18:02 AM »
I had 4 b2b loss maximum after thousands of spins.

Thanks dear
But I got into a 6 b2b loss yesterday, but I started betting after 3 virtual loss, so had no problem.

I have a small B/R

So what I do mostly is
I have chip option minimum is 0.1 cent and max is $60

So first three trigger I bet with 0.1 chip and if three trigger got into loss, then $1 chip according to the progression

So if there is win in first three triggers, which usually happens, there is a small win, just to stay virtual and make small profit, so no boring



Re: Single dozen strategy
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2018, 04:27:46 AM »
To Palestis

As I have read in your thread you emphasize on virtual loss, and its really good for any roulette strategy
I bet with different strategies, and always go for some virtual loss

In this, I need a clarificarion, I am sorry if you have answered already

When you say three virtual loss, in 11 22 33 44 55 progression, you bet with 44 after three virtual loss or 11

Same in your strategy of 1 1 1.5 , 2 2 3, 4 4 6
After two virtual loss start with 4 4 6 or 1 1 1.5

Please reply
Thanks and regards


Re: Single dozen strategy
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2018, 12:06:34 PM »
That is entirely up to the individual player and it has a lot to do with his available B/R.
In the 2 bet scenario, 3 virtual losses means 12 chips saved that otherwise would've been lost.
(11 22 33 ).
You don't really have to bet 44 in the next trigger.
If you consider the bet as your starting point you can start with 11 but with a higher chip value.
Or you can stay with the same chip value that you would've used if you had started without virtual losses. Or any chip value in between.
The point is that after the virtual losses, you are much closer to a hit and without the expense of the first 3 triggers. You still have to go with 11,22,33,44, for the next triggers (after the 3 that lost virtually).
So it is really up to individual player's choice and not part of a strategy.
Personally I would start with something in between to make up for the time spent waiting for the virtual losses.
But whatever you start with, its correct as long as you stay with the same progression from the 4th trigger forward.


Re: Single dozen strategy
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2018, 01:10:52 PM »
Nice veteran kind of reply and makes sense about the chip value
I consider little higher chip value will be great to compensate the time spent on virtual loss.


Re: Single dozen strategy
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2018, 01:39:20 PM »

Completed 50 chips within 2 hours with 2 or 3 virtual loss, max b2b loss was 4



Re: Single dozen strategy
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2018, 12:04:41 AM »
Completed do you mean won?
Was it in a casino or testing?
And the 4 B2B losses were after the 2-3 virtual losses or all together?


Re: Single dozen strategy
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2018, 02:19:13 AM »
Completed means won 50 chips

Auto live roulette
My place there is no casino

4 b2b all together, just once

I think two is common for this 2 spin strategy

Now I just go for 2 virtual loss, three hardly comes, have to wait for more time

Today morning, I dint go with virtual loss, instead done first two triggers small chips and if lost my planned big chips, and it works better

And yes won 25 chips already in 40 minutes

I want to know if anybody is doing this and winning

Thanks and regards
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Re: Single dozen strategy
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2018, 11:30:56 AM »
I wantto know how you play exactly. You play Palestis single dozen system, but you wait for 2 virtual loss after each catched trigger, and bet only 2 times? It is together 4 spinned trigger instead of 3, or do you watching the last fourth number like the new triggers first number ?

About the original method, why do you prefer playing like this, and not the original?


Re: Single dozen strategy
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2018, 12:20:43 PM »
It is everything original idea of the trigger and just instead of playing next three spins I play 2 spins and wait for another trigger after that two spins either loss or win

Why I am playing like this is because, after couple of losses suppose two or three triggers, we need to win in the first or second spin, otherwise it is difficult to recover, and there are lot of wins in the first two spins after the trigger

Today also won 100 chips
But usually two virtual loss is better


Re: Single dozen strategy
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2018, 12:49:39 PM »
Thanks for your reply, I will try this new idea, and I will report it for you.

You said, that it is difficult to recoverafter example 2 b2b losses. My progrrssion is felxiable, when I play the original method. Its seems I start with 2-2-3 for two triggers, so if lost first I continue with 2-2-3. It is -14 units, but nkw I change to 5-5-10, If lost, to 20-20-30. I had enough two wins, and I recovered everything. I come baxk then to 2-2-3. I was once at -150, but In the end  won +30. I play bases on the winrate of the session. If I see, that is under 50%, or 60, I am sure, that the wins will come after.

So you wait two VL, then bet 11. If lost , wait another trigger, and Two VL, say it could won on the very first spin, so search continues. Next trigger, two VL, then 22 is the bet right? What is the maximum stage where you was? When you reach 55, if win, you step back ome stage or? And how many winnings neccessary to recover stage 55?