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MickyP

What you Need.
« on: June 03, 2018, 12:50:35 PM »
The concept of winning at roulette is a controversial one. Many of the discussions go about aspects of what it requires to win. "Win" is also defined differently by the many different players. So, for simplicity sake we will define winning as leaving the casino with more cash than you walked in with.
Every player wants to win and every player wants a winning method to make that possible.
Disillusion comes when a "winning method" is tweaked incorrectly through a short test that produced positive results. The method is then abandoned as a failure if it does not win every session.

How much failure is enough to realize that a method does not work? The loss of one session bankroll? Two sessions bankroll? A daily or weekly bankroll? Or do we look at the win/loss ratio; if we get five session wins to every lost session is that classified as good. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

Bankroll is another controversial subject. How do you determine what bankroll to use per session/day?

I have touched on this aspect in the past and it came up again in Palestis single dozen thread. The idea of "trigger waves". This will be important in deciding on what table to play.

Let's use this thread to examine the psychology of winning.
 

mr j

Re: What you Need.
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2018, 01:29:34 PM »
"This will be important in deciding on what table to play" >> Makes no difference what table you play on.

Ken
 

MickyP

Re: What you Need.
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2018, 01:38:03 PM »
Please tell us why it doesn't matter what table is selected for play.
 
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mr j

Re: What you Need.
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2018, 01:45:57 PM »
The H.E. stays the same. You can go across the street to a different casino, H.E. stays the same.

Ken
 

MickyP

Re: What you Need.
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2018, 01:53:49 PM »
The HE {House Edge} is the least of worries at 2.7%.
If the House Edge is seen as a deterrent then nobody would play roulette because everyone would lose.
 

mr j

Re: What you Need.
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2018, 01:55:37 PM »
but do you agree, it changes for no one? (not talking about AP).
 

mr j

Re: What you Need.
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2018, 02:05:57 PM »
@MickyP >> I was just thinking. I'm gonna stay off this thread, UNLESS my name (or any variation directed AT ME) pops up.
Its not out of respect but its a time saver for me. I would be correcting post after post. Enjoy your "subject."
 

MickyP

Re: What you Need.
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2018, 02:11:14 PM »
I agree it's a constant for every player including AP.

Ken, I prefer not to engage in conversation with you for obvious reasons so please understand as I will ignore you from now on. If it means I must leave the forum then I will. You are not the type of person I want to associate with.
 

MickyP

Re: What you Need.
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2018, 02:00:59 PM »
https://youtu.be/pipTwjwrQYQ

I smiled when I watched this because it made me think of someone I don't really know.
 

rimsky

Re: What you Need.
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2018, 02:20:11 PM »
Winning at roulette must relate to money.

A winning system generates consistent profit over a given piece of time.

I guess no system can win every session, but if can survive the worst and show a profit, it's great.

A solid system with low exposure and high win rate, supported by a strong aggressive recovery method could make the task.

Well... the quest goes on

 

MickyP

Re: What you Need.
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2018, 03:18:35 PM »
You hit the nail on the head rimsky.  Mike is also correct in saying we should test a system for millions of spins even though it will never reflect the way we play.

The million plus spin test that Mike refers to tests a system against the house edge and variance. I presume its one long test that will end in the system losing no matter if it's flat betting or progression based.  It is for this reason that mathematically every system will lose "in the long run". I agree 100% with the mathematicians on this fact.

Break the same test down into "human playing sessions" and include the many aspects of the game play that allow control and you will have different results for the same test. Hand testing as you would play or simulating as you would play would produce more accurate test results.

Due to variance and the uneven payout {HE}, roulette will always be a game of winning and losing no matter the player type. The advantage in the game is being able to secure more winning sessions than losing ones, that is for system players. The win/loss ratio is important as are the totals that deem it a win or a loss. As in nature there should be a balance. As an example, your win goal is 20 units but your stop loss is 100 units. This means that every five wins equals one loss. To maintain a winning balance will not be an easy task. This example is calculated playing 30 random numbers. There is no advantage in this equation.

Our perceptions of the game and the perceptions we have of ourselves as players reflects not only our approach to the game but also how we present our opinions of the game to others. Some have it and their opinions are respected while others present their failings as lessons hoping that the reason for their failing is not mathematical.