### Author Topic: Can Random Beat Random  (Read 2272 times)

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#### Scarface

##### Can Random Beat Random
« on: April 20, 2018, 03:00:19 PM »
In theory, with random results we can expect anything.  Red can show up 1000 times in a row.  But in testing, you can normally find limits, or worse case scenario.  For example, Red may go missing for up to 35 spins if tested over millions of spins.

So, if you stick with the same even bet, like red, you can expect a bad run of up to 35 spins which is probably once in a lifetime event that you'll probably never see.

But what if you change your bets randomly?  What if you play the last 18 numbers?  What if you play 18 random numbers every spin?  Will this create better results?

I know random selection will not give an edge.  All I want to do is reduce variance.  Has anyone tested this before?  If so, how were the results?

#### Sputnik

##### Re: Can Random Beat Random
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2018, 03:15:23 PM »

I have tested some random against random selections.
What scares me is that someone would use a progression that goes all in like Marty.

I like the idea where you use a ladder that goes up and down where you have moments to quit without winning.
Where you can accept small loses or break even, and play for another day without force you self to bust.

Also like the idea using a higher base bet, so when winning half what you risk you can operate with casino money.
Regression.
And if you win again twice you can us Up & Pull positive progression.
During this process you can not lose everything back and keeping some profits.

Cheers
« Last Edit: April 20, 2018, 03:47:07 PM by Sputnik »

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#### MickyP

##### Re: Can Random Beat Random
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2018, 04:42:42 PM »
I've been playing and continuously testing and trying different approaches at playing a "calculated random game". The pattern revamp method is an example. Random will not produce patterns of three that repeat but it can. The repeat may be once or twice and extremely rare will be three or more times. That's using radome against itself. Bets are selectively reduced in the betting area to bolster wins when they occur.

Take red and black and divide the table into high and low. If a low back hits, play all low black and the same for red; and the same for the high segment.

You can use the law of thirds to select what colour to play in the segments. Fallen numbers have a good chance of repeating.

Just my thoughts as a contribution to the subject. Hoper this inspires thought on the subject.

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#### mr j

##### Re: Can Random Beat Random
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2018, 10:17:47 PM »
"You can use the law of thirds" >> There is no such thing as a, LAW of the THIRD.

Ken

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#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: Can Random Beat Random
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2018, 12:23:54 PM »
Low of the third is a gimmick.  It exists only for folks who are far away of math.

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#### GIAJJENNO

##### Re: Can Random Beat Random
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2018, 12:46:53 PM »
Low of the third is a gimmick.  It exists only for folks who are far away of math.

Not exactly, but yes, it is urban legend. But I profited from law of the third, how is this possible, that I generated +400 unint in 6 sessions? Than I lost 200 and I did not played forth, but if it would be just a gimmick, than I would not generated a daily 50 units for 20 days, and lost 10 in a month.

#### mr j

##### Re: Can Random Beat Random
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2018, 02:24:05 PM »
Its another example, I can POLITELY correct MickyP and I know he'll be upset at me again (lol).

There is nothing wrong with NOT knowing something just as long as that person(s) learns from it. Too much ego/pride on these boards and not enough listening/learning!!

Bob knows more than Jerry.......SO WHAT!?!?

Its not a contest folks.

Ken

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#### Scarface

##### Re: Can Random Beat Random
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2018, 02:54:11 PM »
To be fair, the law of the third is just a way to describe what happens statistically.  I know it's not an actual mathematical law, but I have no issues with the term

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#### mr j

##### Re: Can Random Beat Random
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2018, 04:50:03 PM »
I agree, its a thing! but the TERM is made up by some half witted goofs.

Ken

#### Scarface

##### Re: Can Random Beat Random
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2018, 08:10:27 PM »
What I'm looking for is a way to reduce variance.  If worse case scenario for even bets is 35 spins, then a martingale type progression will definitely break the bank.  But if we can reduce variance just enough so progression will not get so high, that's what I'm looking for.

For example: play 18 numbers for 2 spins.  Then 12 numbers for 3 spins.  Then 9 numbers for 4 spins.  6 numbers for 6 spins.  4 numbers for 9 spins.  3 numbers for 12 spins.

This would be 6 levels deep.  Raising unit by 1 on each loss.  Just 2 hits in 1 series of bets would put you back at profit.

This is just something is my head with series bets.  Looking for 2 hit in a series.

#### TheGenner

##### Re: Can Random Beat Random
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2018, 11:19:09 PM »

Can Random beat Random?

Short answer = NO! It's a disaster waiting to happen.

#### petespin

##### Re: Can Random Beat Random
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2018, 09:36:36 AM »
I cant say if random can beat random , but iam sure u can put the random in order, as it weird as it sounds .

#### petespin

##### Re: Can Random Beat Random
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2018, 09:49:18 AM »
Random meaning is build by humans , dont forget the whole universe governed by perfect math rules , we like to live that way ,and

#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: Can Random Beat Random
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2018, 10:15:36 AM »
Unfortunately, sacred math and geometry is almost lost. Nothing perfect in math that we operate in modern times . Math is just abstraction that often is misleading for its user.
It doesn't mean that use of math doesn't have its place, it's just that user has to understand limitations of the tool he is about to use, his own limitations in using it as well.
Simple example: one spin & another spin. Cretin would think that these are just 2 spins , they show nothing statistically... mean nothing ( that's all just by looking to resulting numbers).
Wise person would take ball timings, rotor timings, how ball was jumping...ets , and get whole lot of useful information! !!
1+1 not equals 2!! There are no identical objects in universe.  Math is just level of abstraction, nothing else.

#### petespin

##### Re: Can Random Beat Random
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2018, 10:55:57 AM »
Ok but lets say u calculate a bit wrong even slightly , then u ll lose becoz of this mistake , anyway if u re always were so godd to your calculations, close to perfect  there s no reason to lose even a single spin, isnt so?