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MickyP

AP - Randomised Ball Bounce?
« on: April 09, 2018, 07:46:44 AM »
I have limited understanding and zero experience with visual ballistic methods of play.

Heatmap said he remains retired until he can find a table with a non-random ball bounce. I thought he was joking...lol

MrPerfect, will you please explain "ball bounce" and how to identify a non-random table? I'm sure there is a difference between new and old wheels.

I do see ball bounce as random because I do not have the knowledge or skill to read the bounce to any close proximity of accurate prediction.
 

ahlidap

Re: AP - Randomised Ball Bounce?
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2018, 10:13:59 AM »
Ball bounce, is the ball behavior since it exits his track.
Then, it can hit a diamond (A), or travel in the inner ring (B) until fall in the rotor.

I think B is ignored.

After hitting a diamond, it will make X jumps, forward or backwards (or ZERO) in relation with the number on the rotor that is under the hit diamond.

You must collect that data (number of jumps / how many pockets away from exit point) and create a scatter map.
I think there are 4 main things that will make you create different scatter maps:

- type of ball
- ball speed
- rotor speed
--- ball trough type

After some math, you might end with dominant ball scatter at XX pockets (not retired)
Or, data is all around (from 0 to 36) and do not create anything that might give an advantage to you (retired).

When you find this "scatter advantage" you can play (assuming you know how to estimate where ball will exit... which is where your ball scatter starts).

(I know I'm not Mr. P, but this what I've got from his posts, and maybe this is all wrong  ;)  )

IN the end, a "non random table" is not a corret statement, as it do not depend only on table.
 
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MrPerfect.

Re: AP - Randomised Ball Bounce?
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2018, 10:48:27 AM »
There are 2 different ways to look to the ball travel yardage. 
  1. Ball jumps only. This way show advantage that ball itself offer in ideal conditions.  ( we can predict every time correct, ball travel same ...ets).
  2. Prediction to outcome chart. That's more real estimation of what is / may be going on there, because ball not always beat our target diamond or travel during same time after moment of prediction.
   
 
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heatmap

Re: AP - Randomised Ball Bounce?
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2018, 12:07:45 PM »
@mickyp I was joking in a way... because I actually think they have non mechanical "substrates" within the pockets disguised in plain site that conduct electricity which allows the repulsion or attraction of the ball thus allowing for a "randomized" ball bounce...
« Last Edit: April 10, 2018, 12:09:30 PM by heatmap »
 
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heatmap

Re: AP - Randomised Ball Bounce?
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2018, 12:20:54 PM »
@mickyp let's just put it this way, I've invested a lot of time identifying security features to the point where I can look at a wheel from a blurry picture and usually identify which type of wheel and which security features it has on it because I know which wheels have which features. When I find a back alley, dilapidated casino with an older non secure wheel I will take it for every dollar they have. RRS is one of the easiest things to predict actually in my opinion especially if you can predict one half of the wheel. But with the "pocket protectors" as I'll call them in this thread, you can't win because I've seen a ball bounced into and out of specific numbers to the other side of the wheel.

I am baffled however by the Starburst Huxley wheels. How the he'll would you place a substrate on the metal that is replaceable?
 
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MickyP

Re: AP - Randomised Ball Bounce?
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2018, 01:48:18 PM »
Over my head at this time but very interesting non-the-less. I am learning, believe me.

Judging by your presumptions it's clear that you believe there is cheating going on. The croupier is obviously the smoke screen and the brains are in the security rooms on their PC's controlling the final result; simply diverting the ball away from landing on a number with large bets on it. Sounds like a James Bond setup..lol, but anything is possible in this world today.
 

heatmap

Re: AP - Randomised Ball Bounce?
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2018, 03:06:36 PM »
@mickyp i have made 2 informal complaints to my gaming control board, one on the phone, and second after a pit manager pissed me off. they are lucky i didnt make them write any type of report. i know there is no record though which is the bad part because i cant confirm my statement. but to continue on with the story, the first was playing stadium roulette when i saw the ball settle into a pocket then jump higher out of the pocket into the other side of the wheel, and second was because the pit manager was some what making fun of me because of how freely i speak about "rigged" wheels. he said if you really think this then go to the control board and tell them (he was a bit more pissed than im saying because i hang out their often enough for him to hear me speaking like this to multiple people who are interested in what i have to say) -  and i did go to the control board. I am not afraid because the control board is somewhat here for us. but mostly to make sure the casinos stay in line with the law so to say. so if you threaten to "make a report" they are more willing to "ease your troubles" by trying to talk you out of it by giving you the same bulls*** excuses as always - why would the casino risk blah blah blah blah BLAH.

This was around the time i believed the wheel had AIR SLOTS. which every wheel within the casino has slots in every pocket - for some kind of something. I have a picture of one of the wheels at my casino which shows these AIR SLOTS which I recently posted.
 
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Argus

Re: AP - Randomised Ball Bounce?
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2018, 03:46:36 AM »
Heatmap, I totally agree with you!  I have at times played 24 numbers perfectly aligned so that the remaining 12 #’s were so spread out that they only had one space between the covered #’s that the ball could land on. I even had the zeros covered.  Sure enough the ball fell at least 5 times in a row on the empty #’s. Then it would land once or twice on one of my #’s  then go back to the empty #’s.  That would be impossible to do without rigging the wheel. To be fair though, this was on a air ball table. I have seen diagrams of the air apparatus set up underneath the wheel,  so I firmly believe those tables are rigged with air jets in the slots and can place the ball with precision. The tables also have the ability to change speed without being noticed. 
 

heatmap

Re: AP - Randomised Ball Bounce?
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2018, 04:19:03 AM »
@argus I have also done that and had the same results and the speed change is RRS.

If you look at my posts you will see I always say that 00 comes up for specific bets that I do. Funny thing is that I've had a little old Chinese lady tell me that whenever she did a specific bet the number 2 comes up. She did the same bets every bet. Do you have the same thing happen ever?
 

MrPerfect.

Re: AP - Randomised Ball Bounce?
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2018, 11:29:27 AM »
There is one specific airball to avoid. It has normally something written that it's rng, slot mashine.
   If one can measure rotor speed many times in spin, he will see that it changes many times while mashine adjust for selected number.
 
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heatmap

Re: AP - Randomised Ball Bounce?
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2018, 07:16:21 AM »
Don't forget with blowing also comes the suction and that also doubles with roulett wheels that have air holes ;)
 

MickyP

Re: AP - Randomised Ball Bounce?
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2018, 09:30:17 AM »
Sounds like an expensive hooker..lol
No happy ending.