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mr j

Playing day after day and breaking even. Not good?
« on: March 26, 2018, 01:20:35 AM »
If I have a method and I break even (or close to it) MANY times over but still ahead from other winning days, thats great (imo).

Meaning (example).....

11 winning days
2 losing days
7 break even days

to me, those are great stats. Too many players view those break even days as, "I didn't win so dont play that method anymore". I call that type of logic BS. If I play (at a B&M), for seven hours and BREAK EVEN, cool with me. Would I of preferred a winning day? Well of course but I''m battling 5.26%, I can accept breaking even.

Thoughts?

Ken
 

scepticus

Re: Playing day after day and breaking even. Not good?
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2018, 01:56:08 AM »
My often expressed thoughts too Ken.
And I have been ridiculed for saying so !
 

Fyodor

Re: Playing day after day and breaking even. Not good?
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2018, 03:39:14 AM »
Breaking "even" should be (ideally) the line in the sand, regarding roulette, but it rarely is.
An early run against the player, often brings out the do-or-die attitude, which can lead to only one of two possible outcomes.
At that stage "breaking even" is farthest from the rational mind.
Extensive "free-play" testing, did not provide for the type of crash-and-burn scenario now being played, so, reconsider approach, resign the session or withdraw with as much bank intact, as possible?
This all adds to the psychological warfare taking place in such a players own head!
A more positive question to consider;
Starting with a 500 unit bank, three or four "coup" results, catapult the player, (in this example) to more than 5250 units profit, followed by a rush of blood to the head, that promptly returns 3750 units, back to the Casino!
So my question is this, would this be considered a winning or losing position for the player?
 
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mr j

Re: Playing day after day and breaking even. Not good?
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2018, 03:56:09 AM »
I believe, the longer you are playing (hours), breaking even is ALMOST a goal(?)

Ken
 
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MickyP

Re: Playing day after day and breaking even. Not good?
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2018, 06:13:11 AM »
Ken, break even including or excluding expenses?

Do you determine the length of your game or does your win/loss ratio determine it for you?

Are you in control of your game or do the circumstances of the game control your next move?

Do you have a goal for your game before you commit your first bet?

Are you playing the game or is the game playing you?

Simple questions that may require a lot of thought... Be honest.
 

scepticus

Re: Playing day after day and breaking even. Not good?
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2018, 09:56:55 AM »
Depends Micky. on what type of player you are.
I am a recreational player- a hobby if you like -so I don't take expenses into consideration. A player who wants to become Professional might do so.
I am in control of what I do .  WHAT I bet - WHY I do it and WHEN i do it. This comes under the heading -DISCIPLINE.
I don't really have a set goal when starting though  I expect to profit but I am quite happy to Break- Even  after a while .So I agree with Ken here and think that any sensible Bettor should agree .
 
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MickyP

Re: Playing day after day and breaking even. Not good?
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2018, 10:43:49 AM »
I'd like Ken to respond to the questions but thanks for your take on the subject Scepticus .
 

mr j

Re: Playing day after day and breaking even. Not good?
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2018, 01:38:06 PM »
"I'd like Ken to respond to the questions" >> Sounds like I'm under indictment. I'll answer if I feel like it.
(you sure do POST exactly like another member I know ;) )

Including expenses? (lol) I'm not talking about the guy who will fly round trip from Texas to Japan in order to visit a casino. I'm 15 minutes from our casino here. Lets say you drove two hours, four hours total. You played for eight hours and made it BACK to breaking even after being down?

Yes, breaking even sounds great despite gas money etc. I would consider that GOOD.
Do I have a goal for my game?

I answered that more than once!! 1.5 of a gross win, DONE. Before we had roulette here, I would drive down to Illinois to play. A 1:45 minute drive. There were times, I hit my goal in 20 minutes.

Yep, back into the car and head back home. Lets see how many others would/could do that !!

Ken
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MickyP

Re: Playing day after day and breaking even. Not good?
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2018, 06:51:56 PM »
Ken, what you have done and do now is not rare at all. Travelling to casinos is common for many many players.

Your goal is 1.5 of a gross win; what would that be exactly?

You can relax. I'm not trying to put you on the spot. I just find some of the things you say are not well thought out, like your "break even" comment.
"The longer you play (hours), breaking even is almost a goal (?)".
Is this a question or are you conforming to the notion of eventually losing to the house (house edge). Who plays that long?

I'm glad you at least have a win goal for your game but you're welcome to break even any way you like.
I don't have much to say about breaking even or playing for hours on end for the sake of putting in the hours.
I prefer a planned approach that doesn't have break even as an option. SHORT GAMES WITH AN ATTAINABLE WIN GOAL.

DONE!
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mr j

Re: Playing day after day and breaking even. Not good?
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2018, 07:34:23 PM »
I just find some of the things you say are not well thought out, like your "break even" comment.
"The longer you play (hours), breaking even is almost a goal (?)". >> Geez, this is easy as heck, the thinking of it. If I have played for HOURS, up down up down up down....I'm getting hungry, its late, I would be more than happy with breaking even. If I had to choose between breaking even OR losing, lol, come on!

I explained the 1.5 goal before but I'll do it again. I'll use SMALL units for my example. $10 units.

So thats $350 on a hit. 1.5 of that is $525, DONE. Buy in is x4. $1,400

I usually do $50 units. $2,600 is my win goal, DONE. 7k buy in.

 "SHORT GAMES WITH AN ATTAINABLE WIN GOAL" >> Many short games equals a long game. This is rookie stuff.

Ken
 

MickyP

Re: Playing day after day and breaking even. Not good?
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2018, 09:12:07 PM »
A rookie with a plan...hahaha

Do many short games equal a long game? Mmmmmmm NO.
The dynamics are not the same. You have a greater degree of control over a shorter game than one long game.
Why play if you're banking on breaking even? Is breaking even part of your game plan? You play for fun; right?

Anyway, have fun completing the circle.

 

mr j

Re: Playing day after day and breaking even. Not good?
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2018, 09:55:11 PM »
"Why play if you're banking on breaking even" >> I didn't say that. Please quote me correctly.

"Do many short games equal a long game? Mmmmmmm NO" >> You are wrong and I am right, sorry.

Ken
 

MickyP

Re: Playing day after day and breaking even. Not good?
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2018, 10:03:46 PM »
Yup! Sorry for you Ken.
It seems that roulette is one long continuous game to you. Good luck
BREAK EVEN, sorry I meant A LEG.
 

mr j

Re: Playing day after day and breaking even. Not good?
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2018, 11:05:55 PM »
"it seems that roulette is one long continuous game to you" >> To me? Nope, for all of us.

I'll use round numbers (its easier). Lets say I played for 400 spins, one visit. You played on four different visits, 100 spins per visit. Do you feel you have some sort of advantage over me? Forget the "who won how much" thing for a minute. In your thinking, you have the advantage??

Back to the breaking even thing (anyone can chime in)......do you think I walk into the casino with a *GOAL* of breaking even? (rofl) Its a secondary goal IF NEED BE.

EXAMPLE >> I do a $3,500 buy in. For the next 9 hours, I am up a little, then down a little, then up a little, then down a little etc. etc. etc.

Its 9 hours later. I am hungry and tired. I get to a break even point.

Soooo, what would some (most) do? There is no embarrassment to this question. Its not a pop quiz.

Anyone can answer!!!!

Ken
 

MrPerfect.

Re: Playing day after day and breaking even. Not good?
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2018, 11:17:37 PM »
I would go home ...
 
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