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MickyP

Let's Talk Experience.
« on: March 09, 2018, 08:03:01 PM »
Let's talk experience and maybe the seasoned players can steer the discussion to a meaningful conclusion.

What constitutes experience?
A player plays an average of 20 hours a week betting on outside bets; mostly red and black; always forgetting to cover the zero. He plays like this for a year;winning and losing along the way. His whole game is centred around even money bets and he never plays the inside table. He is also a man of age; retirement age, lol. His knowledge of the game is impressive. He reads roulette books and treats the game like a religion.
In your mind, is he an experienced player? If not, what's missing?
How would you define experience?
 
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MrPerfect.

Re: Let's Talk Experience.
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2018, 08:12:15 PM »
Poor guy, he red wrong books...
 

MickyP

Re: Let's Talk Experience.
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2018, 08:16:23 PM »
There's a sting in those words...lol

How would you define experience MrPerfect?

I know the above story is not ideal but I wanted to throw some things in that may be seen as experience. 
« Last Edit: March 09, 2018, 08:20:29 PM by MickyP »
 

mr j

Re: Let's Talk Experience.
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2018, 08:41:55 PM »
"mostly red and black; always forgetting to cover the zero" >> Not sure what this means MickyP?

Ken
 

DrTalos

Re: Let's Talk Experience.
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2018, 08:59:15 PM »
Experience is the process of learning. You don't get experience just growing old.
  You need to fall, to fail, to get to the ground, to hit the rock bottom, and the way you raise yourself up, that's your experience, that is very limited to that situation that brought you down.
  Someone thinks that because his company failed, and he managed to open a new business, he got experience in every aspect of life. You can see many famous actors or sport champions that, because they had success despite horrible childhood, against all odds, they think they acquired knowledge on many different fields.

In your example, that man is just experienced in his limited game, and only if he failed till he learned the lesson about how to play his EC game. As you already pointed out in your question, he knows nothing about other aspect of the game, the inner field (as always, a good question hide inside itself the correct answer).
  Let's say that someone buys a book with a simple method of play. He learn it and apply it for several years, with an acceptable success. Did he have gained some sort of experience? No, he didn't. The process of building, testing, failing, tweaking, correcting, and finally apply with success is the full method of "experience gaining".
  As you can easily understand, this reasoning is very well, and easily, brought to many topics and threads and guests here. A random guy who knows, and managed, and maybe have experience on a single aspect of the game (let's say money management, or bet selection, or discipline), sees himself legitimate to transfer his supposed experience on other aspects of the game that, actually, he never tried to the full process I described above.

On the other hand, it is comprehensible that someone who succeed in something, easily sees himself like a winner in every field, because he wrongly believes his success is on him, because of his winning nature, instead of a complex net of random situations, lucky encounters, right timing and natural talent.
  Roulette, like many other games related to gambling, for example poker, is a universe in itself, where everybody shows his nature. There are compulsive players who loves to cover the table with chips, and to them even a perfect winning system will give no good.
  I do not know if this reply answer, at least a little, to your question, but if I have to simplify in a single sentence, I would say that experience his like a scar in your face, a wound you badly fixed by yourself. And proudly tell the tale how you get that scar.

 
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mr j

Re: Let's Talk Experience.
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2018, 09:02:11 PM »
If I need some roulette advice....I'll listen to the 20+ year guy any day before the "others".

Ken
« Last Edit: March 09, 2018, 09:06:02 PM by mr j »
 
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Junscissorhands

Re: Let's Talk Experience.
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2018, 10:38:30 PM »
Many here pick a system put a different progression to it and call themselves experienced roulette players. How many of them actually create systems and test them extensively days and nights..weeks and months without hardly any sleep. You need to do your time. I've done mine almost to a point of neglectig close ones. Luckily i can say that i now can play as fulltime player.

So yea i have to completely agree, lose...lose... and then some. You need to fail miserably and hit rock bottom. You will come back stronger wiser and become a consistent winning player IF you possess an open mind and out of the box thinking, most important asset to a professional roulette player.

Never ever listen to people who say the game can't be beaten.
 

mr j

Re: Let's Talk Experience.
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2018, 11:08:22 PM »
"How many of them actually create systems and test them extensively days and nights..weeks and months without hardly any sleep. You need to do your time. I've done mine almost to a point of neglectig close ones" >>

You're like.......Kenny Junior
 
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MrPerfect.

Re: Let's Talk Experience.
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2018, 11:13:10 PM »
There's a sting in those words...lol

How would you define experience MrPerfect?

I know the above story is not ideal but I wanted to throw some things in that may be seen as experience.
Ability to see edge and explore it. At least in this game.
   Trying to do something that doesn't work over and over, it's bad experience,  how does it contribute to general ability effectiveness of a player?
   Let's look Real for example... worked as wheel mechanic , had own wheels, collected countless profiles of wheel studies, got probably biggest library of real spins, has ability of advanced data analysis, participated in many classical casino hits.  Then compare it to the guy from your description. ... sky and Erth! !! Difference is huge!! So who has expirience and who not?  For me it's obvious,  l would bet my money on Real''s advice and would avoid other guy.
   BTW,  whose experience you would like to repeat with your life?
 

cht

Re: Let's Talk Experience.
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2018, 12:44:27 AM »
Experience comes from learning about things that don't work.

How many of you have played regularly at b&m casino for more than 2 decades ?

How many of you have lost more than a brand new S-Mercedes ?

How many of you play regularly at least 4days a week ?

How many of you play with a buy in upward of USD5k ?

Finally how many have you played for the last 5yrs and not lost a weeks play ever ?

If you play at the regularity I wrote above without a winning system you are guaranteed to lose the S-class Mercedes in no time.

Most members on forums visit b&m casino as 'tourist',  not a regular that the regulars there know you.

Question - are you a tourist or regular ?

Question - if you claim you are experienced player why are you playing with coins ?

 
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leowls

Re: Let's Talk Experience.
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2018, 02:10:18 AM »
Does B&M refer to land-based casino?
 

Junscissorhands

Re: Let's Talk Experience.
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2018, 02:23:39 AM »
My guess would be 5% to 10% max. here play big bucks and as a "regular".

Big watch collector here, most of my winnings go to watches, travels and spoiling gf, family.

Hope to get the Batman GMT Master 2 by the end of next week. :)
 

MickyP

Re: Let's Talk Experience.
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2018, 05:12:32 AM »
B/M = Brick and Mortar. Yes, it refers to land based casinos or to a real table with a croupier spinning the ball.

Some interesting replies; thank you.

@cht, you see time spent (two decades) as a yardstick for experience. You also see size of bankroll and chip value as a sign of experience. Not losing a weeks play over 5 years? I smiled when I read this statement.

Experience in many ways is putting in the hours, learning, testing and evaluating different methods of play then actually playing the methods that you believe will produce the wins. Experience is constantly adapting to change and constantly researching ideas to improve your game. Experience will help you make critical decisions when at the table because you have learnt how to manage your game under many different circumstances.
Experience comes from learning from your mistakes and if you are wise you will learn at home with pen and paper. Lessons learnt at the casino can be very expensive.
Experience teaches you to be humble about how others view the game because they may just share something that may change the way you play your game. Experience teaches you that there is always room for improvement and the learning never stops. Such is life.
 
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MickyP

Re: Let's Talk Experience.
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2018, 05:17:44 AM »
If I need some roulette advice....I'll listen to the 20+ year guy any day before the "others".

Ken
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Why?
 

MickyP

Re: Let's Talk Experience.
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2018, 05:37:19 AM »
@MrPerfect,  whose experience would I like to repeat with my life? Wow, what a strange question.

With roulette and life in general I commit or dedicate time to learning but I am not a good follower, I lead but I only lead my own life. Wanting to be like someone else is ignoring what or who you are and your own life and growth should be the most important thing to you.

There are some characters on this forum that belong in comic books, lol. I will not mention names but I do take certain members posts more seriously than others. The forum is a good platform to learn from but test everything yourself.
 
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