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"Making a murderer" real-life legal thriller
« on: February 23, 2018, 11:46:59 PM »
Making a Murderer

Filmed over a 10-year period, Making a Murderer is an unprecedented real-life thriller about a DNA exoneree who, while in the midst of exposing corruption in local law enforcement, finds himself the prime suspect in a grisly new crime. Set in America's heartland, the series takes viewers inside a high-stakes criminal case where reputation is everything and things are never as they appear.

This is a 10 episode documentary.
I'm on episode 3 and I'm absolutely shocked!

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Reyth

Re: "Making a murderer" real-life legal thriller
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2018, 01:56:28 AM »
I am showing the film to be 60 minutes.  Is that the whole thing or is there more?  Ok I guess there is a movie that will summarize it but I also found the full 10 episodes.

OK, beginning to watch now...
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2018, 01:58:41 AM »
It is a 10 episode Netflix series.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/making_a_murderer/s01
It's the most powerful thing I have watched for quite some time!
I'm on a binge watching. On episode 5 it gets better and better.
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Re: "Making a murderer" real-life legal thriller
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2018, 02:28:49 AM »
This happened in my area.

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Re: "Making a murderer" real-life legal thriller
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2018, 03:14:21 AM »
Have you seen the series MrJ? Are you shocked as I am?
 

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2018, 03:15:48 AM »
I'm on Episode 2.  Can't believe this didn't end with Episode 1 and how in the world can there be NINE more episodes!?
 
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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2018, 04:12:58 AM »
I am now on Episode 3 and here are my thoughts (wait until you have finished Episode 2):

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He is guilty as sin. :)
 
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Re: "Making a murderer" real-life legal thriller
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2018, 04:14:53 AM »
Keep watching my friend :-)
I'm on episode 7.

Btw, I never felt sure he was guilty.
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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2018, 05:24:33 AM »
I am on Episode 4 and my opinion is still unchanged! :P

Here is the reason:

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How can they possibly plant a body like that and have the forensic evidence all match up?

Done with Episode 4, this means that we have to believe that a Sherrif abducted some innocent woman, murdered her by horrific means, burned her body, collected what was left and transported in onto the property AND buried it in a firepit and nobody else knows about it?  In addition, the car had to be planted in the same way.

Sorry, not buying it! :P

Onwards to Episode 5... 

O_o Ruh roes....

I can't believe this will be going where the end of Episode 5 is suggesting...

(gulp) Onwards to Episode 6....

O MY.  The blood in the back of the vehicle wasn't mentioned until this Episode.  This actually makes it quite possible that she was transported to the property!

The level of horror here, if this is how this crime occurred, is off the charts!

It is also possible  that she was ambushed on the property while accessing the rear compartment of the vehicle...

Episode 7...

So all done.  I guess I will try and describe the two ways that this crime happened:

PROSECUTION VERSION

The woman was ambushed by Avery while she went to the back of her car, hitting her in the head.  She was then taken to the garage and shot.  She was then taken to the firepit, put in a barrel, burned and the remains buried.  Avery cleaned the entire garage with bleach to remove any blood whatsoever.  Avery drove the car to where it was found and tried to hide it.  He took the keys back to his room and put them under a pair of slippers.

DEFENSE VERSION

The police found the woman's vehicle but it was located somewhere else and she was already dead in the rear portion of the vehicle.  They decided to place it on Avery's property along with the body but they had to clean any traces of DNA from the body and so they burned the body in a barrel at some other location.  At various times the police started planting the evidence; the vehicle, bones, keys, bullet & blood; they had full access to the property, visiting it multiple times.

Problems with the Prosecution's version

1) No motive -- The sexual assault in the trailer didn't happen as there was no DNA on the mattress nor in the trailer.  There also was no DNA in the garage.  If there was a hidden outdoor assault, she would have been bleeding badly from the head and no DNA or other evidence was found on the property.  With no motive, there is no reason to suspect a crime.

2) The blood vial -- It was clearly tampered with.

3) The keys -- The would have been found on the first sweep of that room but were not discovered until a third sweep occurred.  They must have been planted.

4) Officer calls in license plate -- How is an officer calling in a license plate and describing the vehicle prior to when it is found on the Avery property?  That is not explained by anyone.

5) Garage is clean -- How can the garage be the kill site when there is no DNA there?

Too many things about the Prosecution's case simply doesn't add up and a clear motive is present to explain why there is case tampering here.  The Defense's version is very hard to believe but becomes credible because there is obvious evidence tampering and inconsistencies in their stories.
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2018, 12:48:28 PM »
I already watched the complete series one year ago and I fully agree with you: one of the most addicting things I have seen at TV/Netflix. This whole family of rednecks/borderline mentally disabled had a hypnotizing effect on me and my wife. I think we watched the whole stuff in two nights (and we have a son, so not many time to spare sleeping time...  ;D )
It is a masterpiece of how to direct a documentary. It should be a series on whether he killed or not those women... but never manages to reveal it clearly. At the end everybody has to make his own decision, although I think 90% of us agrees on the verdict...
 
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Re: "Making a murderer" real-life legal thriller
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2018, 12:58:27 PM »
Indeed, it's a very powerful documentary and everybody has to draw his own conclusions.
(Personally I disagree on the verdict on both, especially for the mentally impaired nephew.)
Above all, I was absolutely shocked (!) by the methods of the prosecution and the standards by which justice is served.
 
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Re: "Making a murderer" real-life legal thriller
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2018, 12:41:47 AM »
No offense, but you guys are late to the party on this doc.

The filmmakers left out significant pieces of info about the case , and thus presented a very biased view of the narrative.

Start here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/ [nofollow]

Also, there's a sequel (rebuttal) in the works:

http://www.slashfilm.com/making-a-murderer-sequel/ [nofollow]
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2018, 06:18:39 AM »
That's good to know Law because both versions don't make complete sense which would indicate that something is missing from the story. :)
 

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Re: "Making a murderer" real-life legal thriller
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2018, 07:55:18 AM »
Another great resource about the case. All the trial transcripts and documents.
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/
I wonder why the girlfriend of Steven didn't appear on the trial and I find heartbreaking the fact that the police forbid her from contacting Steven again.
 

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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2018, 10:25:36 PM »
This happened in my area.

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