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Vaddis Holy Grail (with a twist!)
« on: February 09, 2018, 05:43:09 PM »
Hi there!

Anyone figured the puzzel out yet?

My head hurts.

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Re: Vaddis Holy Grail (with a twist!)
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2018, 06:24:20 PM »
Hey Robbert, thanks for posting!

I for one have no idea who Vaddis is.  Could you paste something in here that describes it all for us?


Re: Vaddis Holy Grail (with a twist!)
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2018, 06:35:44 PM »
Reyth you can have a look at the Money Maker Machine forum where the original topic emerged. It was posted by Vaddi which named it "Wish I could openly share Roulette Grail". I'm not allowed to post links because I didn't reach 70 posts otherwise I would as I've read the print page a couple of times.

The supposed Grail goes around the idea of repeaters. Vaddi gave hints he plays 8 numbers. Basically the main focus it's to move between sleepers, first time hitters and repeaters knowing when they're changing. Sleepers to first time hitters, first time hitters to repeaters. He also stated that every number is related to his own pair. Per example 7 with 8. 31 with 32. "All elements of roulette have a mirror and you can use lands / doubles to flow with and to predict sleepers". That was apparently his way to predict outcomes and choose his bet selection.
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Re: Vaddis Holy Grail (with a twist!)
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2018, 07:46:49 PM »
Maybe something stupid but we know by experience usually sleepers are numbers just neighbours or in between hot numbers and misses again and again. playing the sleepers with numbers just aside can maybe give something valuable...

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Re: Vaddis Holy Grail (with a twist!)
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2018, 07:57:07 PM »
I agree.  Combining sleepers and hot numbers is a very powerful statistical method.  Maybe it can be said that hot numbers sleep differently than regular or poor performing numbers...
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Re: Vaddis Holy Grail (with a twist!)
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Re: Vaddis Holy Grail (with a twist!)
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2018, 08:19:50 PM »
We will tell you when you tell us how to win by studying roulette history and roulette wheels.
You keep your secrets we keep ours.
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Re: Vaddis Holy Grail (with a twist!)
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2018, 08:25:21 PM »
all hints from vaddi:


1.   You need to make inside bets

2.   You MUST bet on a set of numbers that consist of less than 10 numbers. And please figure out that X number for long-term winning. (later he goes down between 9 and 6; I guess its

   Those numbers that you select must be consistently selected from the top of the marquee; Your number set will change by one number each time a new number lands

4.   How do you make sure that you hit every single number that comes up on the roulette wheel?

5.   Think in terms of hits and what the roulette wheel MUST do: "It MUST hit repeats". But, how do the repeats perform in relation to the singles? For the most part: every 37 spin results in 24 hits = 14 singles + 10 doubles

6.   You don't even need pen and paper. Simply look at the first set of numbers on the marquee. With the GRAIL there is no need to think or analyze


8.   It's about how the singles and repeats fall.

9.   Look at the marquee and copy exactly what the wheel does.

10.   Remember, the wheel is recycling it's numbers for perfect balance.

11.   37-spin cycle

12.   You can start betting on your magic X numbers at ANY TIME. Look at the marquee and wait until there are NO REPEATS in your set of X numbers, then start betting on all those X numbers. Caching! 

13.   It's all about balance. And if you read my above posts, that X number is a factor of a bigger number that I've quoted. And, if you were to create the lowest level progression out of X numbers, the last winning number of that progression would bring your bankroll back to break-even.

14.   1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 = 36 This must be the secret numberYep, I see that little magic number that is smaller than 10. And, just look at how it's perfectly placed in relation to posts about break-even. That position is absolutely perfect in that sequence of numbers. Absolutely perfect. Here's another thought: each 37-spin cycle is never the same, and each 37-spin cycle produces its own dominant numbers. That's why there is no such thing as hot numbers per se.  Because all numbers eventually become "hot numbers" in their own respective 37-spin cycle, so as to maintain long-term equilibrium of all the numbers over time.

15.   The number is bigger than 6 and less than 9.

16.   If you are betting on 8 numbers and they are not hit, then you would remove the oldest number in your 8-set and add the number that just landed. So, you are changing your 8-number by one number after each wheel spin.That means that each number of your 8-number set is placed 8 times on the table.There are only two phases:* 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 (stepped sequence)* 8-blocksFor 8-blocks example: say you miss all 8 of ...279121633629Let's say that the last number landed that missed your 8-set is 20.Then your next 8-bet is ...202791216336If you now get a hit on 12, your next 8-bet is ...122027912163However, in this 8-set, you have the same #12, appearing twice, so you actually bet on ...12, 20, 2, 7, 9, 16, 3 = 7 numbersSo, before you start playing, you look at your bankroll and make a note of the amount.You begin at the beginning: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8. If you increase your bankroll or break even at this stage, you go back to the 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 process and place a single bet on the last landed number that made you win or break even.If you lose the 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 process, you are then at the block stage as described previously:279121633629etc.Also, if you break even or increase your bankroll at the block stage in comparison to what your bankroll was at the 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 stage, then go back to 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 where you will begin all over again by placing a single chip on the last landed number.The 37-spin cycle is not of the greatest importance as such, because you can play the system for long period sessions. However, you should make a profit within 185 spins.Also, for your own knowledge and understanding, it's a good idea to see how your bankroll performs every 37 spins (= 37 bets in terms of single and group bets) and up to the range of 185 spins (= 185 bets in terms of single and group bets).Of course, 185 = 37 x (5 cycles)I've played up to 296 spins (8 cycles) and discovered that doing so is a waste of time because better and faster profits are within 24 - 74 spins.I would say keep the spins below 185 = (5 cycles). You don't have to go this far as a regular occurrence.But, as you can appreciate, you need to test these things personally.Hope that helps.

17.   What's the tiny 1 percent missing element?

18.   I've sent a PM to  Mr. X ... He knows who he is.He might pose a question in the forum that I posed to him. = When you're playing roulette, what are the 3 basic states que a number can have?1 - Out2 - Not Out3 – Repeat

19.   Roulette numbers have three states:1. No hits (0)2. Single hits (1)3. Doubles + (2)After a 37 spin cycle, this is what you'll typically see:0000000000000011111111111122222222333In this case:11 no-hits12 singles11 doubles +Singles (12) and doubles (11) nearly 50 / 50. (in balance)If doubles aren't dropping, that means singles are dropping.And if singles aren't dropping, that means doubles are dropping.Double-hit ranges:7 numbers: hit range = 1 - 14 (14th spin hits 7th spin)8 numbers: hit range = 1 - 15 (15th spin hits 8th spin)9 numbers: hit range = 1 - 16 (16th spin hits 9th spin)10 numbers: hit range = 1 - 17 (17th spin hits 10th spin)You can't hit all the doubles all the time because -- depending on the magic number you choose -- the distance between say #20 dropping again, might be 25 spins later (outside the hit ranges above), but during that gap of 25 spins, singles are dropping like crazy, so how do you take advantage of the singles as well?I was expecting a few veterans to figure out that the missing part of the puzzle is a way to bet that also capitalizes on balance by also thinking about singles, not just doubles.

20.   Always bear in mind that roulette is about balance.You had one side: the doublesTo create balance, you now have the flip side / other side of the coin: the singlesThe fundamentals of the grail have not changed. The betting method still stands, but there is one betting adjustment that must be made on the table to take advantage of those two sides at the very same time and to take advantage of balance.When the wheel spits out doubles, you're there.When the wheel spits out singles, you're there.

21.   When you solve the final part of the puzzle, you will realize that you have a balanced integrated system that impacts on ...- Non-hits (sleepers) (0)- Singles (1)- Doubles + (Repeaters) (2)And, of course: each round of 37 spins, begins with 37 sleepers.But at the end of those 37 spins: the sleepers, singles, and repeaters are close in number of occurrences (give or take a difference of say... +1, or +2).

22.   If you're a keen observer of the roulette wheel as well as a close observer of the roulette table, you will realize that each number from 0 - 36 has a close-to-perfect pair-partner.What's the perfect partner-pair for number 1? How would you determine it?More head-scratching, eh?Yep, the concept is all a part of the grail. Once again: roulette is all about balance.If you don't think about balance, you're doomed.Just thought that I'd throw that in for those who have already ditched losing projects and beginning to see the light.

23.   If you have been playing roulette for a while and the following are mentioned:- Balance- Wheel- Partner (number)Then surely, you must have an idea as to what I might be suggesting. If not, then I'm really surprised.

24.   Well, the very first set of posts focused heavily on the repeaters aspect, which is the foundation.Then, towards the very end of my posts, I mention the clincher, which in my view required a tiny shift in thinking, in terms of how to also capture singles, not just repeats.And, if you have a basic understanding of roulette, you will come to an inevitable conclusion on what you must do on the table.So, a tiny shift in thinking that leads to a modified betting decision = my 1% BTW: the 1% betting decision is a small one, but its impact is huge.Hope that clarifies my perspective and clears up your apparent confusion.

25.   Throughout this thread I've said that balance is important. That is what roulette is all about really. That's why casinos have sophisticated software to constantly check that their wheels have no physical bias.But, let's forget about bias / balance in general terms as it relates to roulette.Have you figured out the magic number yet? I've given strong clues about what that number is.This magic number is the number that gives power to the whole system.Without this number, you will not have enough power and balance for the system.I won't go into the basic mathematics of this magic number, because it would just confuse some guys even more than they might already be.Suffice it to say that I know why this number is so powerful in roulette. The casino can't escape it and the player can't escape it.And, get this: it's the player's edge.As I've said, I've given strong clues about that number.

26.   Do you know the relationship between singles and doubles / repeats after every 37 spins?

27.   In estimation, when do doubles / repeats start hitting the roulette wheel with regularity?- At the beginning of 37 spins?- Within the middle of 37 spins?- Towards the end of 37 spins?- Or none of the above?

28.   Think of roulette in these terms and no other:24 numbers land12 doubles land2:1 ratio.The factors 4 and 824 / 8 = 312 / 4 = 3That's the basis for the grail.

29.   PS:8 numbers for doubles + singles strategy? or ...only 4 numbers for doubles-only strategy?

30.   here are always 12 - 14 repeaters. The repeaters are spread through random ranges.The narrowest random repeater range is where, for example, the number 1 comes up two times in a row.The widest repeater random range is where, for example, the first spin lands the number 1, but only repeats that number on spin 37.As indicated above, the ranges contract and expand randomly for every 37-spin cycle; sometimes close together, sometimes far apart; sometimes close to perfect balance.You need to find the ideal number of numbers to bet on that will take advantage of the random expansion and contraction between the repeaters.If you bet on too many numbers, the wide random ranges will clobber you.If you don't bet on enough numbers, you'll miss out on the close random ranges.And the foundational principle is to follow what the wheel does, which is all explained in the thread.

31.   All the numbers in roulette are connected logically and consecutively.Of course, the inventors of the game have made every effort to confuse the player by rearranging the numbers on the roulette wheel, but don't fall for this deception.Here we go:0/11 | 22 | 33 | 44 | 55 | 66 | 77 | 88 | 99 | 1010 | 1111 | 1212 | 1313 | 1414 | 1515 | 1616 | 1717 | 1818 | 1919 | 2020 | 2121 | 2222 | 2323 | 2424 | 2525 | 2626 | 2727 | 2828 | 2929 | 3030 | 3131 | 3232 | 3333 | 3434 | 3535 | 3636/0And for the zero, 0, that tries to mess up any balanced strategy, we have ...0 | 1The above pairings take care of your singles and doubles all at the same time. Do you see the balancing guys?Which means that if #2 lands, then you need to bet on #2 and #3 at the same time. Splits or single chip.As above, always choose your pairings going forward.However, what happens if #3 is already covered? In that case go backwards and cover #1 instead. That's because, as in the table above, #2 is also connected to #1.To those guys who I haven't responded to yet, don't think that I'm ignoring you.I've received quite a number of messages and I'm scratching my head trying to think how to manage the whole situation.So, my apologies to those guys who are still waiting for a reply.BTW, the PM system still isn't working. Maybe admin will get the issue corrected soon?A closing thought:If you are creating any roulette system, you should focus on creating a balanced system.Let the roulette wheel do the randomizing.Your system should not be random, it should be balanced.

32.   Based on what I've said about balance and connected numbers (based on the pairs table) ...How could you use already landed numbers to 'predict' numbers that are likely to land next? Now, that is the kind of mad-scientist question that leads to the grail.No, you can't precisely predict which number will land next, but there's a way to get as close as you possibly can. Please don't try to answer this question. I'm just throwing it out there. But it has do with observing how numbers connect to each other after every 4 spins, based on the pairs table.

33.   I guess the basic idea is somewhat similar, except that I'm using inside numbers.The inside numbers constantly 'try' to balance with each other in a sort of uniform dance. And there are ways to temporarily exploit the imbalances.From time to time, I warn against red / black systems because there's no way of exploiting reliable roulette constants.The constants that I seek to exploit are...- 24 singles every 37 spins- 12 doubles every 37 spins- 13 no-hits every 37 spinsNow, that's a reliable roulette pattern every 37 spins and it's a way of informing you that roulette is not perfectly random.If you are aware of perfectly exploitable and reliable constants in a red / black strategy, then power to you. If not, watch out.

34.   OK ... yes, I now understand what you're saying.For clarification, on my part:- 24 singles must occur at some stage, every 37 spins- 12 numbers occur only once- 12 doubles occur every 37 spins- 13 no-hits every 37 spinsThe above is not too far off from what you have. And the above is mainly from my real wheel experience, give or take + or - 1 or 2Also, when I state  24 'singles', I'm looking at it from the point of view that singles must occur first before doubles can manifest.I know ... putting the grail together based on the many clues I've provided is a killer challenge. Different components that are presented impact on other suggested elements and transforms the final solution into something new.And ONE of the reasons I presented it that way, was to see if my thinking was anything different from the thinking of very experienced roulette players.

35.   Options:1) 2 chips on doubles2) 1 chip on doubles3) Half of a chip on doubles2) and 3) should make you smile. - Vaddi36.   what are the adjustments you make to the other 2 important rules ? 1.Splitting2.Pairing

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Re: Vaddis Holy Grail (with a twist!)
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2018, 09:41:55 PM »
Some true good stuff in there. :)


Re: Vaddis Holy Grail (with a twist!)
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2018, 09:46:17 PM »
I know!

But how does he uses the strategy?


Re: Vaddis Holy Grail (with a twist!)
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2018, 09:49:34 PM »
Vado was originally posting here so there’s lots of detail;-


Wish I had the holy grail.


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Re: Vaddis Holy Grail (with a twist!)
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2018, 11:16:07 PM »
Its not mine, its vaddis.

He only gave hints, and i believe he has the grail.

Well, it seems short on words. LOL :)
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Re: Vaddis Holy Grail (with a twist!)
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2018, 06:09:10 PM »
Hi guys!

I'm pretty new to all this, but can someone please test my system?

Here it goes:

Stage 1: you start betting on the number that has fallen. So if it lands on 1 you bet on 1.
If it lands on 1 and 2 you bet 1 and 2

If it lands on 1 ,2 and 3 you bet 1, 2 and 3 and so on, until you have 8 chips on 8 numbers on the table.

If you got a hit on your numbers, great! Restart stage 1.

If not, go to stage 2. Bet all the 8 numbers + the one that just has fallen.

But! With the pairings of the numbers.

0 | 11 | 22 | 33 | 44 | 55 | 66 | 77 | 88 | 99 | 1010 | 1111 | 1212 | 1313 | 1414 | 1515 | 1616 | 1717 | 1818 | 1919 | 2020 | 2121 | 2222 | 2323 | 2424 | 2525 | 2626 | 2727 | 2828 | 2929 | 3030 | 3131 | 3232 | 3333 | 3434 | 3535 | 3636 | 0

If you already have a chip on the pairing number you bet the chip one below.
So if you got 4, and 5 is taken you bet on 3.

Whenever you got a repeater keep the repeater in the betting scheme and only bet 8 numbers + the pairing.

Do that until you have profit,and begin stage 1 again.

Always keep 9 numbers on the table with the pairings, and cross away the last number on the list and add the new number to it.

But if you have a repeater that just has fallen, keep it on the table and bet the 8 numbers with pairing.
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Re: Vaddis Holy Grail (with a twist!)
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2018, 06:11:08 PM »
The pairing list is wrong.



so on so on

And it's 36/0

Only live, no rng
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Re: Vaddis Holy Grail (with a twist!)
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2018, 08:45:15 PM »
Hi Robert
The bet you are describing is Vaddi's bet. It was covered on quite extensively.
Are you suggesting to play the 8 last numbers and only the last number to have fallen's pairing?

Or are you saying, if no repeat after 8 numbers bet the pairings(splits) of all 8 numbers? That would cover 16 numbers.