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MickyP

The hidden truth about casinos.
« on: January 27, 2018, 10:04:50 PM »
The hidden truth about casinos is a title that will draw much attention. The reason for this thread is to examine the relationship between a roulette player and the casino.
I anticipate bias comment because comments from the casinos are not to be expected.
To kick off, a casino is a business with massive overheads and their business is to make money from entertainment. Negative publicity is bad for business so banning a player for winning too often or too much hardly seems plausible. Casinos love winners because the sight or sound of winning generates business.
Being banned from a casino can be seen as a failed relationship where the person telling the story will fabricate reasons for the break up, always blaming the other party. Think about people you know that have gone through a break up; how many have taken responsibility for the failed relationship?
Players get banned from casinos because they break the rules of the establishment. There is no rule that limits how much you can win.
All businesses open to the public have signs that read "Right of admission reserved". This is to assist keeping people out with valid reason.
It seems only AP complain about being banned from casinos. Has anyone been banned for playing a system or strategy?
 
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Re: The hidden truth about casinos.
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2018, 11:47:52 PM »
Don't worry, I doubt that you will have have such an experience.
 

MickyP

Re: The hidden truth about casinos.
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2018, 04:45:51 AM »
I have not been banned from any casino and do not personally know anyone that has.
When I cash out at the tables I at times get comments like " I like the way you play" or "I like your style" from the croupiers  and now and then from the pit bosses. I speak to both croupiers and pit bosses when the opportunity presents itself. If they notice me cashing out with larger sums than I buy in with, how much more information does the security eye in the sky have on me. There has never been a suggestion by any employee of a casino for me to be watchful of how I play and how much I win.
I have seen a player reprimanded for not playing with his own casino card and it was noted that he was a serial offender. He was warned but still allowed to play. Players have been removed from the tables for abusive language and interfering with the croupiers work space. Others were removed for fighting but non for winning too much.
Call bets on the race track are limited to about four players per spin. Before NMB is announced the croupier will announce "No more call bets".
 
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Re: The hidden truth about casinos.
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2018, 05:00:49 AM »
Like I said, I'm sure you have nothing to worry about.  System players are welcomed with open arms.
 

MickyP

Re: The hidden truth about casinos.
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2018, 06:04:48 AM »
 8)
 

Jesper

Re: The hidden truth about casinos.
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2018, 08:44:48 AM »
The winnings the casinos see as a loan, they will not ban for winnings, they want you back. 

They can ban, but they do  not for winning in an honest way.  I mean regulated casinos.
 

palestis

Re: The hidden truth about casinos.
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2018, 01:16:54 PM »
Casinos know their vulnerabilities. That is the reason they set maximum limits. Especially American casinos. If the max. limit on  one number is $200 then a split involving that number also has $200 limit. And also a quad that includes that number. And a street also has $200 etc.
They call it $200 limit "in any way" if the bet includes a number that has 200 bet on it.
         In European casinos (at least the ones I was visiting), if a bet on a number has 200 € limit, a split has 400 limit, a quad 800 limit,  a street 600 limit a DS 1200. ( That is the 200 limit per number multiplied by the number of numbers included in a bet).
Anyway casinos know that even a system can beat them, otherwise they would have no reason to set limits. In fact if they are certain that all systems fail, they would encourage larger and larger bets by having no limits at all.
But the fact is that they are very serious about limits.
I once witnessed a situation where 2 players had 200€ on a number at a table where the max was 100. (2 players 100€ chip each).
When the number came they refused to pay 7,000. They only paid 3500.
They claimed the 2 players were playing together, because they were talking to each other as being part of a team (which was the case).
The funny thing is when they were losing with 200 on a number they did not return the 100€ chip to one of the players.

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Jesper

Re: The hidden truth about casinos.
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2018, 01:33:32 PM »
The limits on the table is not in any way to stop betting systems. The reason is they will protect them self from very heavy losses in a short time, as they must be able to pay the winnings and run the overhead costs.

Some on line casinos put a withdraw limit, so if you win much, you need to withdraw parts over time. The limits are high for most players (6000 Euro), but if some win a progressive jackpot, it may take more than a month to get it all.  This is not for protecting from any kind of methods, it is to protect the cash, so they not need to empty the purse.
 

MickyP

Re: The hidden truth about casinos.
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2018, 02:31:08 PM »
Limits on tables are there to curb  progression. To win more you need to move to a table with higher chip values. You can request the limit of a table to be raised and this is to the discretion of the casino. If the casino believes they have the advantage they may raise the limit.

What if the casinos introduced a flat bet policy; one standard bet only. If they did this they would ultimately destroy the game as we know it. As Palestise put it; limits are set to protect the casino.
 

Jesper

Re: The hidden truth about casinos.
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2018, 03:49:13 PM »
The max limit has a role protecting the casino. But not because a systemplayer would per see be a threat.
They may not want a Saudi prince putting a billion on black.  Such short time loss they may have problem to put to risk.
There are casinos do not hesitate a milion bet.

There are other ways which is not the table limit make it difficult for some players. A progression for instance has not only to do with the max bet or table limit. The min bet has most importance.  The min bet is often much higher on outside bets. Sometimes they have  total min to bet on inside. You can bet 1 unit a bet, but have to bet 3 or more total inside.  We see why three DS is used instead of an EC, it may be total lower. I think it was so at Dublinbet
(Not used them for some time) min bet 5 Euro on EC and 0.5 inside.
 

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Re: The hidden truth about casinos.
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2018, 03:55:04 PM »


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Limits on tables are there to curb  progression

No they're not.  Lol.



Casinos welcome system players and gullible up as you lose progression players  with open arms.  Be sure to use your club cards, they might give you two for one on the buffet.
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Re: The hidden truth about casinos.
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2018, 04:10:42 PM »
Haha haha. ..... are the two of you serious!!!!

Arguments to discredit system players are really getting weak. Actually they are going to the dogs.
Jesper blames a Saudi Prince. I'd hate to think who you blame Real.
Really dumb posts.
 

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Re: The hidden truth about casinos.
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2018, 04:17:42 PM »

Arguments to discredit system players are really getting weak

Hmmm...I thought you were a strategic player?

Regardless, rule one.

1.  A progression can't turn a negative expectation game into a positive one.
 

Jesper

Re: The hidden truth about casinos.
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2018, 04:30:19 PM »
A Martingaler has no power to ruin the casino. For a Martingaler the bank need only the first bet for every round the player wins. A Martingaler use to start at the lowest possible bet. If the player start with one Euro and stand 16 losing spins, and he is free to bet the 17th and win. The casino only need ONE EURO to pay the player, all the other money has the player already given over.

If a no system player put one very high bet, the casino can lose that evening.

By the way, how many percent of the players can bet a tablemax anyhow?
 

MickyP

Re: The hidden truth about casinos.
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2018, 04:43:22 PM »
Oh wow! Real,  I don't think you are as knowledgeable as people give you credit for.
Why is it that when you are logged onto the forum you can be found roaming systems and not visual ballistics or other areas of the forum.

I have no need or desire to entertain your irrational one liners about system players.

Dream on about world domination. You may get there one person at a time.

Jesper, check your maths...lol