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#### BlueAngel

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##### Flat betting system
« on: December 29, 2014, 12:50:50 AM »
Betting:

30 BLACK
30 HIGH
30 ODD
20 1st DOZEN
40 1st COLUMN
40 3rd COLUMN
10 STREET 16,17,18
2.5 SPLITS 2/5 5/8 20/23 23/26
5 STRAIGHT 32
7.5 STRAIGHT on 0 and 14

Total: 230

Let's see now what happens when each and every number appears:

0 = +40
1 = +10
2 =  -20
3 = +10
4 = +10
5 = +70
6 = +10
7 = +10
8 =  -20
9 = +10
10=+10
11= -50
12= -50
13=+10
14=+40
15=+10
16=+10
17=+10
18=+10
19=+10
20= -20
21=+10
22=+10
23=+70
24=+10
25=+10
26= -20
27=+10
28=+10
29= -50
30= -50
31=+70
32=+10
33=+70
34= -50
35= -50
36= -50

Betting summary:

20 numbers x 10 = +200
4 numbers x 70 = +280
2 numbers x 40 = +80
7 numbers x 50 = -350
4 numbers x 20 = -80
(200+280+80)-(350+80)= 560 - 430 = 130 NET PROFIT.

I think this is what we call a POSITIVE Expectation Value or just EV.
All of the theory of negative expectation and casino advantage has been based on this kind of calculations.
Please feel free to do all these calculations yourself and verify my results.

« Last Edit: December 30, 2014, 04:09:46 AM by BlueAngel »

#### dobbelsteen

##### Re: Flat betting system
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2015, 02:14:12 PM »

It was not easy to discover the mistake. The House edge can`t be beaten!!

#### dobbelsteen

##### Re: Flat betting system
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2015, 10:55:16 PM »
I am still waiting for your commentary.It is beside the discussion ,but my English is much better than your Dutch.

#### BlueAngel

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##### Re: Flat betting system
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2015, 05:42:19 AM »
I am still waiting for your commentary.It is beside the discussion ,but my English is much better than your Dutch.

...and my Greek is much better than your English.

About the flat betting I have only to add that if someones wants to bet this way,has to play for a while and after the first winning streak,he/she should stop or change to something else.

#### kav

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##### Re: Flat betting system
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2015, 09:54:55 AM »
P E A C E gentlemem

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##### Re: Flat betting system
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2015, 12:22:22 PM »
P E A C E gentlemem

Ok,why not kav.

#### Jake007

##### Re: Flat betting system
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2015, 01:11:50 AM »
Betting:

30 BLACK
30 HIGH
30 ODD
20 1st DOZEN
40 1st COLUMN
40 3rd COLUMN
10 STREET 16,17,18
2.5 SPLITS 2/5 5/8 20/23 23/26
5 STRAIGHT 32
7.5 STRAIGHT on 0 and 14

Total: 230

Interesting idea! With a bankroll of \$1000 I have tried on a site and after about 50 spins I was down \$100. There were times I was up good, times down bad but it averaged out and I ended still with a loss.

Maybe its possible to reduce risk some by adding \$1 to cover the single numbers like 2,8,34,35,36?

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##### Re: Flat betting system
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2015, 07:57:40 AM »
Betting:

30 BLACK
30 HIGH
30 ODD
20 1st DOZEN
40 1st COLUMN
40 3rd COLUMN
10 STREET 16,17,18
2.5 SPLITS 2/5 5/8 20/23 23/26
5 STRAIGHT 32
7.5 STRAIGHT on 0 and 14

Total: 230

Interesting idea! With a bankroll of \$1000 I have tried on a site and after about 50 spins I was down \$100. There were times I was up good, times down bad but it averaged out and I ended still with a loss.

Maybe its possible to reduce risk some by adding \$1 to cover the single numbers like 2,8,34,35,36?
Yes,it would be an improvement.
The point with this is to stop when you are ahead

#### dobbelsteen

##### Re: Flat betting system
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2015, 02:47:08 PM »
I have pointed out that the expected loss is about 2%. 230 Units per spin is an extreme unacceptable risk. The system is beautiful but not suitable to play it in a casino or on internet. It is also to complicate to practice the system in the fun mode.

#### BlueAngel

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##### Re: Flat betting system
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2015, 04:18:49 PM »
I have pointed out that the expected loss is about 2%. 230 Units per spin is an extreme unacceptable risk. The system is beautiful but not suitable to play it in a casino or on internet. It is also to complicate to practice the system in the fun mode.
I wouldn't say it's complicated because it's using same bets and amounts for every spin.

#### dobbelsteen

##### Re: Flat betting system
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2015, 12:42:45 PM »
You are right. In the fun mode you can make the bet with 230 units and  after then use the repeat button.

#### scepticus

##### Re: Flat betting system
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2015, 01:25:40 PM »
Betting:

30 BLACK
30 HIGH
30 ODD
20 1st DOZEN
40 1st COLUMN
40 3rd COLUMN
10 STREET 16,17,18
2.5 SPLITS 2/5 5/8 20/23 23/26
5 STRAIGHT 32
7.5 STRAIGHT on 0 and 14

Total: 230

Let's see now what happens when each and every number appears:

0 = +40
1 = +10
2 =  -20
3 = +10
4 = +10
5 = +70
6 = +10
7 = +10
8 =  -20
9 = +10
10=+10
11= -50
12= -50
13=+10
14=+40
15=+10
16=+10
17=+10
18=+10
19=+10
20= -20
21=+10
22=+10
23=+70
24=+10
25=+10
26= -20
27=+10
28=+10
29= -50
30= -50
31=+70
32=+10
33=+70
34= -50
35= -50
36= -50

Betting summary:

20 numbers x 10 = +200
4 numbers x 70 = +280
2 numbers x 40 = +80
7 numbers x 50 = -350
4 numbers x 20 = -80
(200+280+80)-(350+80)= 560 - 430 = 130 NET PROFIT.

I think this is what we call a POSITIVE Expectation Value or just EV.
All of the theory of negative expectation and casino advantage has been based on this kind of calculations.
Please feel free to do all these calculations yourself and verify my results.
Hi Blue Angel
I haven't done all the calculations but  would you check your answers for 2,16 and 18 ?

#### BlueAngel

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##### Re: Flat betting system
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2015, 04:11:33 PM »
I've made some mistakes in my calculations and of course there is NOT any HE for the player,regarding the probability theory at least.

#### scepticus

##### Re: Flat betting system
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2015, 07:16:16 PM »
I've made some mistakes in my calculations and of course there is NOT any HE for the player,regarding the probability theory at least.
Generally, I am not in favour of Odds- On shots, particularly Long Odds On shots. If doing them I would consider leaving out the Opposites ROH/BEL or ROL / BEH. Each of those combinations cover 10 numbers leaving 27 numbers to bet , a 1 in 3 shot. If we consider that there are 8 combinations of the Even Money shots then we are betting 6 of the 8 - 3 /1 so not only do we get "fair odds " but we have beaten the HE because we INCLUDE zero.
In theory anyway !  It depends on your perspective

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##### Re: Flat betting system
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2015, 02:29:30 PM »
I've made some mistakes in my calculations and of course there is NOT any HE for the player,regarding the probability theory at least.
Generally, I am not in favour of Odds- On shots, particularly Long Odds On shots. If doing them I would consider leaving out the Opposites ROH/BEL or ROL / BEH. Each of those combinations cover 10 numbers leaving 27 numbers to bet , a 1 in 3 shot. If we consider that there are 8 combinations of the Even Money shots then we are betting 6 of the 8 - 3 /1 so not only do we get "fair odds " but we have beaten the HE because we INCLUDE zero.
In theory anyway !  It depends on your perspective

I agree,I wonder how no one else have noticed it so far!