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#### Scarface

##### Dealer Signature
« on: January 13, 2018, 12:18:33 AM »
I once had a dealer tell me she was good at hitting repeats.  Within half an hour, she hit several back to back repeats.  Was it luck? Could be.  Or maybe the speed of the wheel + her speed of the ball was so consistent that this often happens for her.

Got me thinking of a strategy.  Check the most recent hit number.  Count how many pockets it was from the previous number.  Maybe it was 12 spaces ahead.  So, now play 12 spaces ahead of that number.  If the dealer is consistent at least more than 50% of the time, it should be a winner.  I think this would work better on fast tables, where the game is moving fast and the dealer gets into more of a rhythm.  The amount of numbers played surrounding the target number depends on you...maybe a parachute starting with more numbers gradually reducing numbers after a loss.

Anyone ever play like this?  Would be interested to know how it would work

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#### MickyP

##### Re: Dealer Signature
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2018, 06:44:09 AM »
Dealer signature can at times be easy to identify, sometime so that I think the croupier is fly fishing for more players on the table...lol

To identify the signature is not always that simple for a novice vb player like myself. Keeping track of alternating spin movements is very important as well.

I find that following the signature spin to spin can be daunting so I establish croupier hot spots on the wheel.

My vb games are all virtual at the moment but with enough practise like this I'm sure I'll get better. MrPerfect and other vb players will be able to give you the finer ins and outs of dealer signature play.

#### Fyodor

##### Re: Dealer Signature
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2018, 08:36:53 AM »
Before you get to Dealer Signature as a locked in strategy, there are a few points that you should consider in your formulations.
1. There are two sets of spin sequences in operation, the "set" of anticlockwise launch to rest, and the clockwise launch to rest.
2 Is the table a "left hand" or "right hand table?
3. Is the Dealer, in any of the above combos, a natural left or right handed operator, given that he or she, must be able to spin the ball with either hand. (It does help to know)
4. Please stop adding to the ridiculous idea, that "gifted" croupier can spin to colours, sectors or, most "touted" -individual numbers.
Rather than looking for DS, I look for combo signatures within the range of above points.
This is the most disruptive of the "Gamblers Fallacy" beliefs.
BTW, none of the above can be taken into consideration when RNG programs are involved in testing strategies and theories.

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#### Scarface

##### Re: Dealer Signature
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2018, 01:30:42 PM »
I hear alot of people talk about dealers alternating spins, clockwise and anticlockwise.  Is this a rule at most casinos?  The casino I frequent ALWAYS spin the same direction everytime!

I play a table where the dealer spins the ball based on a 45 second counter.  We place our bets on a touchscreen.  So, every 45 seconds the dealer is mindlessly picking up the ball and spinning....thats their only job.

1.  Dealer spins the same direction every spin, every 45 seconds
2.  Not sure what you mean hear
3.  Dealer spins in the same direction, with the same hand.  Probably thousands of times a day

I think under these fast conditions, with the dealer spinning with same hand and same direction every 45 seconds, there will be some degree of predictability of what section of the wheel will be hit...enough to overcome the house edge.  What do you guys think?
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#### MickyP

##### Re: Dealer Signature
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2018, 06:39:00 PM »
It seems to be a rule in South African casinos; alternating spin direction, but it is not law.

I have seen some croupiers spin the same direction while most spin in both directions. I think this has to do more with croupier training than having it as a rule. My thoughts on this is that casinos want their croupiers to adhere to a standard of randomness. Croupiers that reflect a strong signature are probably instructed to use alternating spins to achieve that standard of "unpredictability ".

The best thing to do is to establish the croupier spin pattern and watch as you play as they may purposely upset the pattern by spinning twice in one direction and then resume the alternating spin pattern. This is much like the numbers on the display; every so often a number is not displayed. If you use these displayed numbers to track with you may be thrown off track. Always pay attention to every aspect of your game including checking to make sure your payout is correct.

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#### Scarface

##### Re: Dealer Signature
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2018, 08:09:02 PM »
Yes, there must be a good reason the casino would want the dealer spinning in alternating directions.  The casino knows that players can pick up on dealer signature, or why else have the rule?

This is why I think I may have an advantage at my casino.  Dealer always spins the same direction....and dealer always spins the ball every 45 seconds ( getting in a more rhythmic automated pattern).  I believe, because these 2 factors exist, its very possible to get an edge detecting dealer signature.

#### MickyP

##### Re: Dealer Signature
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2018, 09:11:24 PM »
Can you actually see the whole wheel from your seat at the touch screen? Is the wheel and croupier live or a video feed?

#### heatmap

##### Re: Dealer Signature
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2018, 12:25:13 AM »
I see this happening all the time and then whenever i would jump in the pattern i saw was long gone. Ive talked to other people who have just seen and noticed the same patterns happening and they probably would never even come to a forum like this.

#### MickyP

##### Re: Dealer Signature
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2018, 12:50:57 AM »
From overhearing general talk and observation around a roulette table dealer signature is mentioned very often. You are right Heatmap, these patterns do appear more often than we think.

The problem with trying to play dealer signature exclusively at a table is that when you buy into the table you are expected to play so you have the added pressure of the casino breathing down your neck to lay bets on the table or give up your colour. The safe way is to use cash chips and play call bets on the race track. I'm working towards this but for my game play is working for me.

Dealer signature (vb) is a whole different ball game.

#### Scarface

##### Re: Dealer Signature
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2018, 11:13:41 PM »
Can you actually see the whole wheel from your seat at the touch screen? Is the wheel and croupier live or a video feed?

Yes it is live and easy to see.  Dealer is a couple feet away.  You can also see the close up video on the screen.

#### MickyP

##### Re: Dealer Signature
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2018, 07:18:49 AM »
Interesting.
We tend to hammer the casinos for unfair practise, rigging results etc; but it becomes a head scratcher when you see how far they go to make life easier for players. Here are a few things they do..
Video monitors (mentioned above)
Display spin history
Display hot/cold numbers
Display stats of up to 150 spins
Increase the speed of the game through technology.
Making it easier to place bets using technology  (touch screen).
Complimentary drinks..

Logically thinking, if there are no winners the casinos will go bust. Are they actually encouraging winning?

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#### The Bedsit Botter

##### Re: Dealer Signature
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2018, 07:31:58 AM »
Personally I am not interested in Dealer Signature.

However for those who are I have pasted a system for Roulette Extreme that many of you won't have come across before for use at online casinos.

You must wait for a new croupier to start spinning then enter the numbers for predictions.

You should stop the session and wait for a new croupier if you show a loss of 70 units.

Edit:  I have issues pasting things here so I have attached it as a txt file instead.

« Last Edit: January 18, 2018, 07:38:58 AM by The Bedsit Botter »

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#### scepticus

##### Re: Dealer Signature
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2018, 02:54:57 PM »
Dealer's Signature- Patterns etc.  are all explained  by " Random".

#### Mike

##### Re: Dealer Signature
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2018, 03:15:54 PM »
Video monitors (mentioned above)
Display spin history
Display hot/cold numbers
Display stats of up to 150 spins
Increase the speed of the game through technology.
Making it easier to place bets using technology  (touch screen).
Complimentary drinks..

Maybe the casinos don't have the same assumptions you do? Displaying spin history, stats, hot/cold numbers etc doesn't do the casinos any harm, because they know that these things can't be used to predict future outcomes. However, many players believe that they can, and bet more heavily when they see some "favorable" history. e.g. after 10 reds in a row, many players would be tempted to bet heavily on black. Increasing the speed of the game, video monitors and making it easier to place bets is good business sense for them, because it means a table can accommodate more players and they will place more bets per hour. The object is to attract as many players as possible and get them to place as many bets as possible in the shortest amount of time.

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#### Fyodor

##### Re: Dealer Signature
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2018, 12:40:23 AM »
Going against the grain here, but I have used past results to formulate future outcomes for many years, as has anyone who plays roulette.
BTW, all of the bot "testing" (1000, 1-16Million?) uses previously generated result lists to verify and theoretically validate future "playable systems"
-unless, of course, the researcher is generating a unique set of outcomes in real time.
Somehow, I don't think so!
In my opinion, there are no "magic bullets" or shortcuts where Roulette is concerned, you have to play, at a table, in a REAL CASINO, with REAL CASH MONEY, because this journey does not have a "Sat-Nav" solution or director.