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#### MickyP

##### Spin history as a tool.
« on: January 12, 2018, 11:23:27 AM »
Using spin history to determine potential wins in future spins is a roulette fact. Because it IS NOT a precise science it is rubbished by some and branded as a fallacy.

The LoTT (law of thirds) shows this quite clearly. Out of 37 numbers only an average of 26 numbers will appear in 37 spins,  giving opportunity to track and bet on repeaters.

Triggers are formed from past spin history. Palestis xxy trigger has proved to be an enormous success.

When playing the finals, past spins determine the entry point to the game and identify possible repeating finals.

Hermes 4x4 double street method is played off spin history. Also a winning strategy.

There are many many systems and strategies that depend on spin history and I think a vast majority of players would be lost without spin history. Even vb players use spin history as a tool.

Spin history is a vital tool to govern and guide your game to potential wins.

#### Jesper

##### Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2018, 12:51:42 PM »

The spin history, we have not any way to use it, except if
it is a mechanical wheel with some imperfections.

It is difficult to find such wheels, the bias will be found
by the casinos before we can use it. Betting repeating numbers
could be a way to autodetect it, but I doubt it. It is in any case
hard to comfirm it was due to a bias or we got a nice stream
of repeating numbers by chance.

We call it the law of third, but it is not really any law.
The average of 26 numbers is far from half the outcomes.
The variation is large.

The probability of a repeating number in 8 spins is
over 50%. If we bet as they come, we are break even
at the 8th spin.

The first spin can not be a repeating number, that number
have a probability of 1/37. The second spin to be a repeater
has the proability of 1/37.

For every spin the probability of a repeater increase, as there
are more different numbers fallen. So it is true the probability of 37
numbers in 37 spins is so low, we can expect to never see it
in a lifetime, or more longer.

There are some statistical properties, but that is not including
there are any way to make good conclusion of the near future.

Random is by definition not possible to predict. We can just not
know the coming spins. The patterns we 'see' is random numbers.
We need only larger samples to find all funny things, and still it is
unpredictable and random.

There are not any stream of numbers which can not happen.

It is very easy to start think, we have something, if we have been
successfull with a system. The methods are often invented and
used until the losses hurts, then skipped for an other.
The true is,a player can win large and for long time. The
method the player use, must then fit the numbers showing
during play. It is hard to see if one method is better than
an other as such. We use to look at our result.

#### Fyodor

##### Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2018, 01:22:01 PM »
Jesper, Correct, We cannot "predict" a random number, but we don't have to.
The wheel itself produces an unending stream of truly random numbers, and these can be "harnessed" to a staking plan, then exploited for profit.
Sceptics regularly point out the technical and mathematical inefficiencies of riding the coat-tails of previous results, but they represent real-world, live sequences that are topical, relevant, and sift out some order from the prior chaos.
IMO, the "trick" is to treat recent past results as (hot or warm) options, but without favorite or preference numbers, as all numbers on a wheel are equal opportunity locations.

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#### Mike

##### Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2018, 03:48:12 PM »
Using spin history to determine potential wins in future spins is a roulette fact. Because it IS NOT a precise science it is rubbished by some and branded as a fallacy.

The LoTT (law of thirds) shows this quite clearly.

Micky,

I'm afraid the LOTT shows nothing of the kind. All it says is that as you get more spins, beyond a certain point the numbers which have already showed up have a greater a chance of showing, and the numbers which haven't showed are less likely to show (as a group), which is just common sense if you think about it, because there are increasingly more/less of them respectively.

Knowing that X numbers have appeared after Y spins, are you in a better position to know which number is more likely to arrive next? Not at all. Not having this information gives you exactly the same chance of successful prediction as having it. Your success depends only on HOW MANY numbers you pick, not on which numbers you pick, so the LOTT is irrelevant, as is any other probability or formula you can come up with.

Jesper is correct; the only use for past numbers is in identifying biased wheels, and even then it's not the best way to do it.

#### mr j

##### Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2018, 03:58:20 PM »
I did this already. (I did it all actually)

Name me a type of system/method that does NOT use even one past number?

Ken

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#### Mike

##### Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2018, 04:24:19 PM »

There are plenty of systems which don't use past numbers. You could just used a fixed template or roll a dice to get your next bet. Are these any better or worse than systems which DO use past spins? No, there's no difference. "Bet selection" for the random game is irrelevant. Anyone who believes otherwise, show me the proof.

#### MickyP

##### Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2018, 04:33:32 PM »
Mike,  according to you and Jesper using past spins is like rubbing and blowing dice cupped in your hands for extra luck.

I made no claims to be able to predict the next number using past spins as you stated; I  said within future spins. I also stated that it is not a precise science. The way you explained the law of thirds is what I said just in fewer words. Why would I be wrong and you right if we both said the same thing,  just in different words.

I'd like you to play Palestis new system single dozen without using any triggers and then repeat the exercise using triggers 120 spins per test should be enough to confirm if thumb suck or triggers work best. Do the random test first and use the same numbers to test the "past history" trigger method.

Until I become a seasoned VB player I will continue using spin history as a Y stick to find water in the ground. No need to drill hundreds of holes to find water when the stick works. Oops, is that rookie talk again?

#### mr j

##### Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2018, 04:44:14 PM »

There are plenty of systems which don't use past numbers. You could just used a fixed template or roll a dice to get your next bet. Are these any better or worse than systems which DO use past spins? No, there's no difference. "Bet selection" for the random game is irrelevant. Anyone who believes otherwise, show me the proof.

Ok, PLENTY of posted systems? I guess I have to get technical. I'm not talking about the guy who tosses a couple chips anywhere on the table......see, thats my system.

Ken

#### scepticus

##### Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2018, 04:56:14 PM »
So Mr J / You just toss a couple of chips on the table - hoping for the best  ? Interesting idea and , I think, unique    What works - works !

#### MickyP

##### Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2018, 05:00:12 PM »
So Mr J / You just toss a couple of chips on the table - hoping for the best  ? Interesting idea and , I think, unique    What works - works !

That's how Mike plays, not Mr j .

#### mr j

##### Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2018, 05:02:42 PM »
(lol)

I'm saying, the guy that tosses chips anywhere, I would not count that as "he does not use past numbers for his system".

Ken

#### Mike

##### Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2018, 06:35:24 PM »
lol, any other exceptions mr j?

So what if most systems do use past spins, does that make them work?

#### MickyP

##### Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2018, 06:58:17 PM »
There are systems and strategies that rely on past spins that win.

##### Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2018, 07:40:16 PM »
An example of a bet selection method using past spins for EC's would be
follow the last(FTL) or decision before last(DBL).

Not that they are in themselves infallible methods, but as Micky says, a tool or starting point
to creating a system.

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#### mr j

##### Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2018, 08:53:00 PM »
lol, any other exceptions mr j?

So what if most systems do use past spins, does that make them work?

No big deal at all, I use them. Some will say they dont use them....that is until I read their system and point it out. The subject at THE TIME was, gamblers fallacy and the DEFINITION of it. Well, if you only used ONE past number, is that gamblers fallacy? I dont know, I guess so.

Ken