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#### Jesper

##### The 2/3 bets
« on: January 02, 2018, 04:35:47 PM »
If we play 2/3 bets, we should in the not too long play win about  2/3 of the spins. We do not take the  zero in count as we can play it on NOZ.

If we progress and want to be ahead in one spin, the progression goes very high in just a few spins. We could take the winnings in a softer way, as we should not lose half the spins forever.

I did some  play there I used all numbers on a NOZ.

The method is we use  two dozen and two double street, which cover all the felt. Some bets which do cover all are not allowed, and the spinbutton will not work. We can not bet on three dozen

The lowest bet is 0.05.

We put 1.20 (24 units) on each two dozen, and 55 (11 units) on the two streets in the remaining dozen.
We will win 2 units if we hit the 2/3 and lose 4 if we hit the 1/3, as we see no house edge, and exactly the
double on a miss which should happen 1/3 of the time.

We have variance, so it is not sure we win.

On a loss we move an (0.5) unit from the double streets, one from each and bet it on the two dozen.
We do it every time we lose, and reset when on plus.

We need if many loss in a row, a bit more wining spins to catch up.

#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: The 2/3 bets
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2018, 08:10:39 PM »
There recently have been a lot of propaganda NOZ...
What exactly is a point? Isnt it rng? How house make its money to provide a game?

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#### Jesper

##### Re: The 2/3 bets
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2018, 10:18:17 AM »
They make money. It is just a theoretical and wrong thinking, it is a break even game. First we pay a commission on the net win, second players lose.  In a no house advantage game there is still variation, which favour the part with the highest bankroll.  It is not equal in the sense the bank has most money, an many players lose all due to low bank.
Even with a slight advantage to the player, he is not sure to win, witout a very large bankroll.

The NOZ make it easier to win. But there is other restrictions, like the player must be active, if an hour pass the game is ended at the current balance. The game can not last over 24 hour. This time limit make it not possible to do a marathon session to use the strength of a large bank.

If we do not end every game at plus, and pay a net commission on the win, we must win back the previous sessions loss, and that will be count as a win. We must see all aspects not only it is NOZ.
The house advantage even if it is little plus to the player, make it not sure winning, which many AP think, it is a long play and large bankroll plus a edge needed.

#### mr j

##### Re: The 2/3 bets
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2018, 01:58:02 PM »
There recently have been a lot of propaganda NOZ...
What exactly is a point? Isnt it rng? How house make its money to provide a game?

JEEZ.....NOZ, online, progression, 2 dozens, RNG etc etc etc etc.

You guys want no zero? Here's one for ya......I have ZERO sympathy for these members.

Ken

#### Mike

##### Re: The 2/3 bets
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2018, 04:34:42 PM »
Jesper is correct, mr j is clueless.

#### mr j

##### Re: The 2/3 bets
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2018, 09:26:33 PM »
Mr j has done all these silly things YEARS ago. You are wasting your time.

Ken

#### Mike

##### Re: The 2/3 bets
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2018, 09:05:07 AM »
mr j,

Jesper says he's won about 1500 sessions with only one loss, so he must be doing something right. The fact is, ANY system can win, but the first rule of gambling is to play games with the lowest house edge, it's a no-brainer.

You are always ridiculing system players, but what do you have which is so different and special? Hot numbers? Gimme a break!

They don't have any more merit than any other kind of system, in a random game.

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#### Reyth

##### Re: The 2/3 bets
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2018, 11:14:18 AM »
If we can reliably identify hot numbers that will persist as such, we have the opportunity to do better than random.  Mr. Perfect agrees with this.

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#### Jesper

##### Re: The 2/3 bets
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2018, 11:49:59 AM »
Reyth.

I am not sure, but in my play I have got better result looking for hot numbers. In simulation the answer is like it does not matter.

If we play numbers and use some positive progressions, a cluster of a betted number is awesome.

#### mr j

##### Re: The 2/3 bets
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2018, 02:11:54 PM »
mr j,

Jesper says he's won about 1500 sessions with only one loss, so he must be doing something right. The fact is, ANY system can win, but the first rule of gambling is to play games with the lowest house edge, it's a no-brainer.

You are always ridiculing system players, but what do you have which is so different and special? Hot numbers? Gimme a break!

They don't have any more merit than any other kind of system, in a random game.

Let me ask this, for anyone....... If you took any of these "great" systems, if they work decent in your world (cough) but are NOT playable at a BM casino, would you still grade that SAME system as good/great?

Ken

#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: The 2/3 bets
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2018, 02:39:01 PM »
Even chance game is a key to make money..  as long as inconvenience thing like HE is removed, it's already a benefit... if player can get at least 1% of advantage and hold it- 50% of work is done.
Noz game is a hiden HE..  plus non reliable rng..
After all eliminating 2-3 numbers out of the game is possible without too much effort and skill..  just some tracking is required.  Proper " triggers" makes it better... like consistency triggers or something alike..  and we are good to go.
House survive with 1 number in their favor... not only survive... player can do much more.

#### mr j

##### Re: The 2/3 bets
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2018, 02:54:25 PM »
"Noz game is a hiden HE..  plus non reliable rng" >> This is my point. Can these CRAZY systems be played at a real BM casino. If no, can they STILL be called good/great systems?

Ken

#### Jesper

##### Re: The 2/3 bets
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2018, 03:51:14 PM »
Of course they can, Some are just a dinosaur, the time changes, and some has allways problems with that.

There are casinos which are not honest, on line and even BM. If you do not trust, do not play.
We have to understand the server codes, which make it impossible for the casino to change the numbers
drawn.

People who wins on line have hard to think they are cheating by the casino. There are a lot of conspirator theories around.
Like we win in play mod and they cheat in real mod. A well regulated casino can not do so. Millions of players collect and check the outcomes.

But if we do not trust, we should not play, whatever casino.

Many has told me they can distinct BM and RNG streams, but nobody who have taken the challenge has succeeded. Bayes did it on this forum (gave numbers to a member who claims he could), he let a member here judge the numbers, and could not even be right which he should random.

#### mr j

##### Re: The 2/3 bets
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2018, 04:03:51 PM »
"Of course they can" >> and this is where the disconnect comes into play for myself and a very small handful of other members on the boards. So, even if one of THESE systems here cannot be played under BM casino conditions, the system can still be deemed "good". That is beyond me, oh well.

Ken

#### Jesper

##### Re: The 2/3 bets
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2018, 04:08:06 PM »
Most of the methods can be played on a BM casino at least here in Sweden. It is zero wheel.
The problem is it needs a bankroll which is hundred of thousends.