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##### How long do you think it would take to record 10000 spins
« on: November 12, 2017, 03:27:50 PM »
I've been thinking, on and off, whether or not I should try to get 10000 consecutive spins at my casino. As some of you may know, I have found out that my wheels conform to a cycle of 10000 spins per when they rate the "randomness" of the outcomes.

I've been playing with some numbers and I found a chart where it says one player can get over 100 spins per hour. YEAH RIGHT. that's more than one spin per minute. I've done some other calculations but they aren't relevant right now.

Maybe people can save me som time in any way.

Your input might sway me to do this some other way or not even at all.

#### kav

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##### Re: How long do you think it would take to record 10000 spins
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2017, 04:33:33 PM »
You mean 10K spins from the same wheel?

#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: How long do you think it would take to record 10000 spins
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2017, 04:46:56 PM »
Make sure that you record spins and not some garbage data that will help to confuse yourself later.
I would sudjest to find out what matters first and start recording later. It will economise your time and probably money as well.
Or do as you please.  For your information. .. need to register more then just final numbers to call it " spins".

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##### Re: How long do you think it would take to record 10000 spins
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2017, 05:50:01 PM »
@kav yes and not from online casino, one B&M.

@mrperfect I need to make sure im there for all of the spins. the thing that will be the most difficult is to be there on the same wheel for that amount of time. Why? Because the same wheels do not run for a constant period, as in there are gaps in when it is running. The question is can I last that long? Thats the main issue is I can NOT. I need multiple people in shifts of a certain period of time. I also cannot afford to pay anyone for their time spent. Its pretty much against me but ill keep trying to figure this out.

#### palestis

##### Re: How long do you think it would take to record 10000 spins
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2017, 01:29:30 AM »
I doubt that you can record 10,000 spins continuously.
All casinos alternate closing some  tables at some point and operate with fewer tables if there are not too many players. Every roulette closes at some point every day.
But the spins of the same roulette are statistically connected, even if there are interruptions.

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##### Re: How long do you think it would take to record 10000 spins
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2017, 01:44:39 AM »
"Theoretically" it doesn't matter if the spins are continuous or not.
Theoretically, I repeat, continuous and fragmented records of 10K spins, should produce the same results, meaning you should not be able to distinguish one from the other.

#### Reyth

##### Re: How long do you think it would take to record 10000 spins
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2017, 01:51:37 AM »
If Mr. P is correct, all it would take is a new dealer and some collected dust to create a relatively significant change in the wheel output....

#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: How long do you think it would take to record 10000 spins
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2017, 02:44:29 AM »
Spins are variables. One of these is final number. Variables should be correlated to provide useful information.
To predict , need to make a " model" based on correlation between these variables. There are many things that can change... some are adjustable,  some are what they are.
Properly taken data can be with intervals, more variables is collected - less sensitive is data for intervals in data collection. However to correlate properly, need that chanks of data to be continuously taken during some reasonable time. Qwolity of data is much more important then a quantity . Some people can create a model with 50 spins, others will struggle with 50k spins. It's not about how much data you got, but how informative is that data.

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##### Re: How long do you think it would take to record 10000 spins
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2017, 03:47:19 AM »
@Mrperfect this 10000 spins is the number given by the laws in my area. The wheels apparently follow a chi squared formula of some sort. It also must follow a 95% quality test. I'm not sure exactly how it's calculated and the way I'm describing it might be incorrect, but you can find the law I posted in the "it's not rigged if it's the law" thread. This is about checking to see if when I get to around 10000 spins IF the numbers become predictable and if not what happens.

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#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: How long do you think it would take to record 10000 spins
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2017, 10:05:10 AM »
Such kind of " data" is almost pointless.
Nature of bias numbers on the modern wheels is dinamic.... need to " profile" ( collect multivariable info) if you wanna win.
Someone can win with numbers only as well... but it's much more difficult and will require level of analytical knowledge you probably do not posses.
Put yourself at the casino shoes.. will you give away info that may harm your business?... if numbers they give would be that useful,  they would fight such a " law". For industry that makes billions it shouldn't be a problem.

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##### Re: How long do you think it would take to record 10000 spins
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2017, 06:52:45 AM »
@Mrperfect Let's just assume data can be any number of the variables and there occurences I collect

@Palestis @kav about the data being the same in fragments - yes - but if I can PROVE that these wheels are not following the requirements I have a case

@ryeth without completely calling myself nuts - I'm assuming - that everyone else is assuming - a complete electromechanical version of Roulette that looks plays and even can be turned back into a regular roulette wheel with little modifications that follows a simple chi squared test (simple haha)  - WHEW

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#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: How long do you think it would take to record 10000 spins
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2017, 10:43:47 AM »
Heatmap,  assumptions of " any amount of variables" does not reflect reality. It can not be used for making decision in roulette studies and playing, unless you wanna loss and stress.
Google " roulette physics variables" . You will have tousends of stupid desinformation pages about " random variable" . Guys who post it or wright papers about it are cretins  ( many in numbers) who pose themselves as scientists.  Science starts where measurements are upplied.  There are no measurements in " random variable" , so it's not science, it's a crazy idea of cretins wich is delusional and harmful ( to recearcher and his bankroll).
In roulette , change in one variable value often produce absolutely different result. This is something you probably may like to avoid. Roulette do not forgive errors.
You may add me on Skype and l will show you how variables can affect outcome, if you are serious about studing this game of cause.
Drop your Skype name to kali_samuel@hotmail.com

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##### Re: How long do you think it would take to record 10000 spins
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2017, 02:06:11 PM »
@mrperfect - hmmm variables so far FOR EVERY SPIN

- outcome : the number that the ball lands in every spin
- dropZone: gotta get the drop zone just in case were on a huxley wheel
- spinZone : the area where the dealer spun the ball at
- spinStartNumber : the number the dealer began the spin at
- spinEndNuber : the number the ball dropped into the bowl at
- wheelStartSpeed : the speed of the wheel before the spin
- wheelEndSpeed : the speed of the wheel after the ball lands
- ballBounceDistance : how many pockets did you see the ball bounce
- bets : which bets did one user bet
- amounts : which amounts did one user apply to each bet

i know im missing a ton probably but if you are wondering i already have a program in place to track alot of this stuff

#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: How long do you think it would take to record 10000 spins
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2017, 02:36:19 PM »
You missing not much..  there is one in particular that you didn't mention... it could boost your produtility.  I do not mind to tell you... it's time related.

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