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Scarface

Hot Numbers vs Cold Numbers
« on: August 13, 2017, 06:13:31 PM »
Is there any proof that hot numbers hit more than cold numbers?  The marquee at most casinos will show the 4 hottest/coldest based on the last 250 spins.  Any advantage to playing either?  Anyone here ever test this?
 
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MrPerfect.

Re: Hot Numbers vs Cold Numbers
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2017, 06:18:00 PM »
Very good point. How credible is info provided by casino for free? I can only express my oppinion- l do not trust. No boards, no hystory... only spins that l observed myself represent value for me, personally
 

dobbelsteen

Re: Hot Numbers vs Cold Numbers
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2017, 07:57:03 PM »
The statistic features tell that a anomaly allways repair. So the expectation is that in the future the cold numbers will fall more than average .For numbers the future is far away. The equilibrium can be reached after more than 10000 spins. This is the reason that you can test this only on computers and never with a real roulette event. Discussion is senseless.
 

scepticus

Re: Hot Numbers vs Cold Numbers
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2017, 12:04:31 AM »

Hot numbers and Cold numbers are just terms for saying that in any short session of spins , say 37 spins , some numbers appear more   often than others during that period. The first lot are termed HOT and the others termed COLD .
The best way I have heard is to wait until ANY number that has won 3 times and start betting it .Do the same with any others that subsequently win 3 times. Bet these until you ( a ) have lost your money (b) have won enough to make you happy or (c )  feel it is time to go home.
 Mathematically speaking there is no real advantage, As  winning numbers are random you need to  depend on Random being in your favour. Just remember gambling is about Taking A Chance .
 

Rinad

Re: Hot Numbers vs Cold Numbers
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2017, 02:48:18 AM »


   good question,

  in my opinion, playing inside numbers , I will pick live numbers always before cold ones. it has improved my win rate drastically. and I mean that. I will never into a ice cold streak for very long picking live numbers,live streets,live everything in comparison to just randomly pick numbers and stay there until they hit.
the history of my sessions and data shows it.
I used to not do that and pick the coldest numbers all the time using "probability theory" ,and for many years I was losing. no more.
marigny de grilleau and his extensive research found that out also as well and I believe it.
my take on that. it seems counter intuitive to go after a number that hit 5 times within the last 37 /50 spins, but I do it everytime just to get those last few "puffs before the cigar dies down". Warren Buffet used to do the same thing with his stock pick at his early beginnings.
ALWAYS PICK HOT ONES. THEY ARE AT LEAST HOT NOW.   
Rinad
 

dobbelsteen

Re: Hot Numbers vs Cold Numbers
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2017, 08:28:20 AM »
the definition of cold and hot numbers is not the same, You can not compare hot and cold numbers. They have different features.
 

GambleOnlineRoulette

Hot/Cold
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2017, 08:38:36 AM »
I do not trust live roulettes hot and cold numbers info because spins are maybe not spinned same ball at all dealer just spin ball out of the wheel and then ball change other
Best is track yourself spins like gut tracker or roulette xtreme software 2.0 which you can use sector statics 2-10 numbers area from the wheel I do not believe in individual hot numbers around roulette wheel I believe most hot sectors of the wheel 3 or 5 or 10 numbers total
Individual hot numbers can turn cold ones some times you get just hit hot number neighbourne number each side of the wheel so that sense its best play hot number neighbourne numbers both sides
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dobbelsteen

Re: Hot Numbers vs Cold Numbers
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2017, 08:47:07 AM »
software programs for research random rows are vey useful, but you cannot play roulette. For the roulette game you have to visit a land based casino or the on line casinos.
 

MrPerfect.

Re: Hot Numbers vs Cold Numbers
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2017, 12:00:09 PM »
 There is one interesting feature in online casinos hystory of numbers...  when you point cursor over some number in the historical,  it lights up and all ocurencies of number in hystoricall light up as well.   
    I really like this feature as it permits to look numbers that have "runs" (frequent periodical hits) graphically( visually).
   Does anyone by any chance knows or have an idea how to implement such a feature in excel? Is there any way to specify the number or group of numbers to light up ( change color of sell... whatever) acording to multiple criteria with "if" statements and side choices, like sells with "x"?
    Reason for my qwestion is that l do trust only numbers ( spins ) collected by myself and really like them to be from same "category" variablewise.
   I would really appreciate any idea that could help me to achieve it, and it would be one more indicator to differentiate between hot numbers due to a reason with hot numbers due to hit frequency fluctuations.
 

mr j

Re: Hot Numbers vs Cold Numbers
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2017, 03:45:01 PM »
So I would like to quote three different people but am not allowed to.

"Is there any proof that hot numbers hit more than cold numbers?" >> Thats a loaded question. What does HOT mean, what does COLD mean? Hit??

.....over how many spins?? Betting how many numbers?? etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

Its absurd for ANYONE to say hot and cold are the same.

Ken
 
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Scarface

Re: Hot Numbers vs Cold Numbers
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2017, 09:12:46 PM »
The casino I go to shows hot and cold based on the last 250 spins.  There are 4 hot and 4 cold.  I was wondering if one were to play only hot vs someone playing only cold, who would lose there money faster?  Will it be equal statiscally?  These hot/cold numbers constantly change.  Has this been tested by anyone here?
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Scarface

Re: Hot Numbers vs Cold Numbers
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2017, 09:32:59 PM »
Rinad, I also prefer the hot numbers.  But also like playing the cold numbers only AFTER it has hit once
 

palestis

Re: Hot Numbers vs Cold Numbers
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2017, 11:17:17 PM »
The use of  cold numbers requires long range planning. Hot numbers are shaky. By the time you noticed them you might not see them again for a while.
Here we have 3 days in a row of the total daily spins in table -2 Wiesbaden casino.
The 3 days total was
11/8: 199 spins.
12/8 256 spins. 
13/8 241 spins.       TOTAL SPINS FOR 3 DAYS : 696 spins.
On the bottom it shows how many times each number appeared for the duration the table was active.
To get the average number of appearances that each number is entitled to show up you divide the total number of spins by 37.
Of course you will never see every numbers to show up exactly as its statistical necessity dictates.
At least not for a day's worth of spins. It takes a lot more spins for every number to be in equilibrium.
But usually in 750 spins the majority of the 37 numbers are close to their equilibrium.
Looking at the 3 days of spins (696 total), each number should've shown up about 19 times (696/37).
Number 8 only showed up 10 times. Which is well below its statistical  share.
And not only that, the 8 was below its statistical quota in all 3 days taken individually.
The next day 14/8 as the total spins approaches 750, the 8 has to make up for its deficiency  in the past 3 days. Not only deficiency in total spins, but also individually in each of the 3 days.
Then look what happened on 14-8.
8 showed up 6 times in a little over 50 spins. And that should not come as a surprise. 
Cold numbers can be managed. Even if takes long term observations.
Hot numbers cannot be managed. Look at the score board and play the hot numbers the casino volunteers to provide. And see where it gets you.
They also provide the "cold numbers". Playing them, hoping they are due to show up will most likely result in disaster.
But under  long range planning is a different story.

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palestis

Re: Hot Numbers vs Cold Numbers
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2017, 11:20:21 PM »
Here are the spins for 14/8
 

Scarface

Re: Hot Numbers vs Cold Numbers
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2017, 11:52:27 PM »
Palestis, so you would prefer cold numbers over the long term so they would catch up.  I used to always play cold numbers with not much luck.  But I would only play them till they hit.  Now, I wait until it hits the first time then play them....seems like I have alot more success doing this.