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#### A Holy Grail will use..

1. Flat Bet
5 (55.6%)
2. Money Management (progression)
3 (33.3%)
3. A combination of Flat Bet and Progression
1 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 9

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#### kav

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##### Money management
« on: August 04, 2017, 02:04:14 AM »
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#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: Money management
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2017, 07:59:41 AM »
Answer for last post of kav.... about differences of AP and systems and it being 2 different things.
Be it AP or Systems, what we bet is numbers and their combinations. There is an inconvenience with these. Some numbers will hit more then expectation dictates, some will hit less. Overperforming numbers usually are less then underperforming, if you simply count them, it's besides unfair payment for a hit on your number.... it create situation where system player is more likely to choose whatever numbers instead of good ones.
Looks like even system player has to track a wheel to avoid whatever numbers ( if he wants money of cause ). So, Kav, we all are in the same situation, even if system players prefer to ignore this fact.

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#### kav

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##### Re: Money management
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2017, 03:34:43 PM »
Everyone wants to make money and win his bet in roulette.
But here the common ground ends.
There is nothing common between the approach of an AP to the approach of a system player.
I'm not saying that one way is better than the other - enough with the pissing contests- just completely different . IMO AP and systems are totally different METHODS of trying to make money in roulette; as the robber and the investor have totally different methods to make money from a bank.

When I read discussions between AP and system players it's like I read discussion between guys who play two different games, that both use a wheel with numbers ;-)
« Last Edit: August 04, 2017, 04:01:35 PM by kav »

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#### probasah

##### Money management
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2017, 10:26:52 AM »
Hi all,

I will reopen this poll for the voting to continue after the forum reset.
The previous results were  :
3. A combination of Flat bet and Money Management 2 votes

The question is simple: what method of money management do you use in your best bet?

Regards,
Alex

#### probasah

##### Re: Money management
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2017, 10:49:21 AM »
Real quote
"
So in short, what you're really attempting to say is that based on your limited experience with the wheels, casino management and limited comprehension of basic probability...you don't understand how biased wheels can exist.  Correct?"

Hi Real

You know what the funny thing is? We agree on a couple of things, me as a "system player" and you as an AP player.
Lets resume:
1)you aggree with flat betting same with me
What we use different are the means- you are a self proclaimed wheel genius, i am a humble observer of the numbers with limited coding skills. You say the RNG from wheels give more variance as opposed to Random.org rng. I say you cant ever prove that.
You are a genius and a king and i am a beggar on the street that knows nothing about this game.
It might be so or not, i am not going to judge you in 1 million years. But lets focus on helping others without calling names and in a respectful manner.

Regards,
Alex

#### probasah

##### Re: Money management
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2017, 11:35:48 AM »
Lets get closer to the solution

1) flat bet only ( all mm solutions fail; flat bet also ensures the bet selection is valid)
2) bet numbers only (no outside bets, no splits corners or any other mumbo jumbo (
3)bet repeaters ( numbers bet only)
4) cut down from infinite to a set of spins .(hint 37) anything can happen at infinity but not anything can happen in xx spins
5) Observe the xx spins. Observe another one. And another one...and so on until you get your bet selection right.
7)Expect something between 400-1200 units up in 25 k samples; expect a drawdown of 400 units -sometimes more sometimes less.

Regards
Alex

#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: Money management
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2017, 02:45:57 PM »
Alex, what is a point of posting? To multiply posts and waste forum space?
You mixed all together and call it a "solution".
What exactly you looking for as a solution?  What is your problem? You should be asking yourself these qwestions before posting.
You started a tread about money management... Money management has to have an objective, what exactly you are trying to explore or achive??? Are you looking for a
general solutions in roulette betting or what?
These doesn't exist, and its obvious for anyone who studied math at school.
You speak about bet selection and state that bias wheels do not exist. What's you point after all? If they not exist, there is no such a thing as proper bet selection. If they do exist, there is proper bet selection, but there is no general solution! !!!
If you are friends with logic at all, you can see yourself that your posting or initial qwestion asked has no point. Why do you wanna know how people bet? Stats say majority are looser,  do you wanna copy what they do? You can not be a looser yourself and need help for it?
Another thing that alarms me... an expert gives you an advice, you criticise him. It's OK on roulette forum, people have brain to make a judgement themselves,  but in wich light it puts yourself?  As you can see, lm full of qwestions... it's not a personal,  l just try to figure out what's you are up to and how to help you on your jorney. Or do you need help at all?

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#### scepticus

##### Re: Money management
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2017, 03:20:05 PM »

Alex
What do you mean by " repeaters " ?
Do you mean that they are successive . or.
repeat within 36 spins ?
or What ?

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#### probasah

##### Re: Money management
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2017, 03:59:42 PM »

Hi scepticus

Repeaters are shows of same number x2. 1 hit is 1 show(1x). Repeaters are 2x plus shows.
Lets take spins random table
11
1
4
23
5
16
11 (2x) repeater
33
12
4 (2x) repeater
30
27
11 (3x) repeater

All above numbers are hits. Repeaters are(2x) (3x) etc and so on ...

Regards
Alex
« Last Edit: August 05, 2017, 04:56:12 PM by kav »

#### probasah

##### Re: Money management
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2017, 04:21:13 PM »
Alex, what is a point of posting? To multiply posts and waste forum space?
You mixed all together and call it a "solution".
What exactly you looking for as a solution?  What is your problem? You should be asking yourself these qwestions before posting.
You started a tread about money management... Money management has to have an objective, what exactly you are trying to explore or achive??? Are you looking for a
general solutions in roulette betting or what?
These doesn't exist, and its obvious for anyone who studied math at school.
You speak about bet selection and state that bias wheels do not exist. What's you point after all? If they not exist, there is no such a thing as proper bet selection. If they do exist, there is proper bet selection, but there is no general solution! !!!
If you are friends with logic at all, you can see yourself that your posting or initial qwestion asked has no point. Why do you wanna know how people bet? Stats say majority are looser,  do you wanna copy what they do? You can not be a looser yourself and need help for it?
Another thing that alarms me... an expert gives you an advice, you criticise him. It's OK on roulette forum, people have brain to make a judgement themselves,  but in wich light it puts yourself?  As you can see, lm full of qwestions... it's not a personal,  l just try to figure out what's you are up to and how to help you on your jorney. Or do you need help at all?

Mr Perfect

I understand fully your message and get why it can be confusing.
I believe truly that this is the best forum to be talking about roulette online from what the internet has given us in 2017.
That being said, this is a good point to ask questions that confirm or not what i think about a subject. In this case, money management when playing roulette.
We are not alone in our journey and i am genuinely interested in your answers.

No hidden agenda from my part.

I know one can win flat betting. I can show you graphs and test it anytime with any spins. I am not selling anything for money or anything else. I am sharing what works and what doesnt in MY bet.

I got to the solution after 7 years of testing useless methods and looking for "magical" progressions.

So ive done my research. I know what you can an cannot do. I am an expert in failures. I became a failure and almost gave up.

I want a honest answer now from people that have found the solution on their own. I would love to have someone telling me the opposite.

All what i wrote above defeated the game of roulette flat betting. I want you to find the solution yourself.

Call it an act of good faith from my part, to give back to the community something that works.

I found out the hard way and spend hours in front of a computer coding complicated progressions and bet systems all failing.

Nothing works except flat betting and following repeaters.

Regards,
Alex

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#### scepticus

##### Re: Money management
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2017, 06:24:19 PM »

Yes, Alex we can understand what you are saying.
How do you bet these repeaters ?  Each number that shows until it wins ? Bet after it has appeared  twice?- three
times ? etc. ?
Actually, your idea has previously been explored in this forum. It  is not unique so could you explain just what your strategy for this is ? Like Dobbelsteen says - to be effective a system needs a strategy   .
Thanks

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#### TheGenner

##### Re: Money management
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2017, 06:47:15 PM »
Personally speaking, I don't believe in a HG. As long as there are numbers on the wheel that you have not bet, they can appear and defeat you. On saying that, if you have a very good strategy, you may like to use a gentle progression on the occasions variance is rearing it's ugly head and hope for your 'winning' strategy to pull through. To me, that's reality and not some dream world where your system/strategy never loses. There is a strong current on all the forums at the moment pushing repeats. It would be nice to see some actual proof for a change instead of just talk. Talk is cheap. No offence intended.

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#### probasah

##### Re: Money management
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2017, 06:59:31 PM »
Personally speaking, I don't believe in a HG. As long as there are numbers on the wheel that you have not bet, they can appear and defeat you. On saying that, if you have a very good strategy, you may like to use a gentle progression on the occasions variance is rearing it's ugly head and hope for your 'winning' strategy to pull through. To me, that's reality and not some dream world where your system/strategy never loses. There is a strong current on all the forums at the moment pushing repeats. It would be nice to see some actual proof for a change instead of just talk. Talk is cheap. No offence intended.

TheGenner

Its a gift from me to you all
Don`t throw it away.
I have been blinded for 7 years and goind into circles believing that EC,corners, splits crap bet selections.
Believing that there HAS to be a "magic" progression. There is none.
I show you the direction. That is all.

Alex

#### probasah

##### Re: Money management
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2017, 08:01:31 PM »

Ok all,

I will gibe you the good hope. Read and you will understand.
Please do not buy any systems online or roulette computers as they are worthless.
They are only after your money.
The roulette system that wins roulette can be found here.
This is my gift for you all:

rouletteforum [.]cc/index.php?topic=18348.msg179556;topicseen#msg179556

My only request is to not divulge the system after you got it on open forums or outside.

Wish you well,
Alex
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#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: Money management
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2017, 08:06:12 PM »
Alex, lm looking to your graphs and lm confused as hell. .. wich one is the money axis and wich one represent spin number? For me your graphs look reverced.

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