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##### when 2 oposite progression work perfectly together. the perfect storm.
« on: May 22, 2017, 12:14:00 AM »

this method i found very efficient to play live and very simple;

bankroll;   100 units.

1/    2 dozens just appeared. place 1 unit on each.

2/  you just lost. follow the next 2 dozens and add 1 unit to each bets.

3/  you lost again, (can happen and will happen). add another unit to your bets, (3 on each)

4/you win, but you still are not in profit, keep adding another unit to your bets until you are in profit.

note; sometime you dont need to add each time in order to be on the top, so you can figure what your bet needs to be. or you can be agressive and add a unit no matter what.

progression is '  1.2.3.4.5.....7.9.11.13.15.

you keep going up no matter what when you lose a bet,win a bet, and are in the minus.
you be surprise of the power of the negative/positive progression combination.

play with it and see. stop loss is when you lose your 15 unit bet.
you can start over with a higher unit to recoup. OR YOU CAN STAY AT THE 15 UNIT BET PLAYING IT FLAT.

THIS STRATEGY IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT 2 DOZENS WILL GET TO AT LEAST THE 50/50 WIN/LOSS RANGE SOON OR LATER. you win 2 dozen at 66% average.

it is some method I enjoy playing. following the last dozens is best. BUT SOMETIME MAKE A SWITCH IF A BIAS COME IN AND PLAY THE OTHER 2 INSTEAD. follow the trend. following the last 2 is my basic play.

good luck,

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#### Sheridan44

##### Re: when 2 oposite progression work perfectly together. the perfect storm.
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2017, 01:20:00 AM »

There is also a "reverse" way of playing methods similar to this....namely - after each spin....cover the 2 dozens that did not show. The theory of this is that each of the dozens are "competing" with each other to show 1/3 of the time...and that any particular dozen that doesn't show will "struggle" to achieve this "balance".
« Last Edit: May 22, 2017, 01:31:22 AM by Sheridan44 »

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##### Re: when 2 oposite progression work perfectly together. the perfect storm.
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2017, 02:36:32 AM »

Sheridan, good insight, that is why I mentioned that in certain game it is a good idea to "make the switch".
but you want to be on the right side of the "fence".
it can also played to a +12 u. or - 6u.  I have played it a lot and you have a lot of opport. to get out with a profit.

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#### GIAJJENNO

##### Re: when 2 oposite progression work perfectly together. the perfect storm.
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2017, 08:53:57 PM »
How many session you played with this system, and how is the win rate? Quite interesting system, thanks, I will try it.

##### Re: when 2 oposite progression work perfectly together. the perfect storm.
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2017, 01:39:47 PM »

I have played enough sessions to get a good feel for what it is doing.

in 95% of the time you will be up at least 10/15 units.
the downside is very limited which is nice.
it has to be tailored to the player's style.

but the way it is making units is unique in its simplicity.
those 2 progressions combine are what I like. strictly about money management.

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##### Re: when 2 oposite progression work perfectly together. the perfect storm.
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2017, 04:52:08 PM »
I tried your method, and it seems pretty good, Rinad. Thanks for sharing. I'll experiment more with it.

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#### drenek

##### Re: when 2 oposite progression work perfectly together. the perfect storm.
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2017, 06:23:35 PM »
Hello friends,
I can easily code this method if you wish. So we can see over a month what this gives with real permanences.

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##### Re: when 2 oposite progression work perfectly together. the perfect storm.
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2017, 06:32:17 PM »

Drenek, please do so we can see the outcomes and define the best options available. thx

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#### jekhb76

##### Re: when 2 oposite progression work perfectly together. the perfect storm.
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2017, 06:19:13 AM »
Great method Rinad! had some good fun playing it. and the profits are also nice as well. thnx.

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##### Re: when 2 oposite progression work perfectly together. the perfect storm.
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2017, 06:32:58 AM »
Hello Drenek and welcome to the forum.
Coding and testing this would be a great idea.

##### Re: when 2 oposite progression work perfectly together. the perfect storm.
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2017, 03:39:58 PM »

here is another powerfull tool to add to your perfect storm method.

because we are playing 2 dz, and expect to win about 66% of the time.
lets use cycles to time the progression. very simple.

i go to the casino, bring my 2x5 card with me.
write a + when you win. a - when you lose a spin
we are playing to win 50% of our bets to keep us in check.
TIMING IS EVERYTHING.
WHEN YOUR CHART LOOKS LIKE =+++---+++-+________ DONT BE AGRESSIVE . FLAT BET.
WHEN YOUR CHART LOOKS LIKE= ----+-+---+++_____________ SAID HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND AND BE AGRESSIVE.

that is the key to winning.
good day,

#### juice

##### Re: when 2 oposite progression work perfectly together. the perfect storm.
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2017, 04:51:31 PM »
Rinad, BECAUSE I GREATLY RESPECT YOUR ABILITY, I have not chimed in, but this is a bad way to play. ......
Now, I say this because it is the easiest thing for a newbie to play and see a decent hit rate, but it will kill you in the end.
Never, ever, ever, ever....lol, bet 2 units to make 1, let alone multiple upward progressions as you lose.
I have lost so much I can not tell you, because a realistic stop loss is never used. It wins at a high rate so it lulls you into believing that just one more try and it will turn around.  I am not saying , NOT to play this ever, in the case of seeing a real anomaly give it a ONE and out shot! .............NOW.....IF you have to play it, I will add an idea to all the followers of this method, just my two cents........YOU MUST TAILOR YOUR PROGRESSION AROUND A PRESS!
If you press the winning side you will be playing into a 9 to 2 payout, and thus can have a shot at a real risk / reward method. Two advantages you will have are.....

1-  you might hit the payout early and gain a nice working capital / pocket pay with a net 7 units and....
2- when you do increase your bet, the payout ratio is very wide and progression very flat. So at any given time you can and will win a whole lot more than the proposed method currently be discussed.
Anyone that thinks I am full of it, must look at it this way.....you are already willing to sacrifice 2 units to win 1, and then chase those two units for a small payout by increasing your bet if you lose. So, TRY THIS.... after you lay your 2, assume they are already gone and that YOUR new house rules are you MUST HIT two bets in a row to win. By doing so you make your own future your own way!
I only use the roulette wheel for generating data! And the casino odds to create my own "GAME".
For more aggressive players, with a larger bankroll and larger patience, they might try a double press that would equal,
A whopping 27 / 2 payout, and all you are really doing is following the last and playing for a three in a row to appear in any given dozen or column.
AND IF YOU THINK THAT THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN ENOUGH TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS EVENT! WELL! THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY WRONG.....WHY? BECAUSE YOU ARE BASICALLY USING THE LONG RUNNING EVENTS TO BET AGAINST TO BEGIN WITH, WHEN YOU SEE THEM, FIGURING THAT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO START BETTING ON CHANGE!!!
REMEMBER FOLKS.....go with the flow not against it!!!
USE THE WHEEL AND THE FELT ODDS TO CREATE YOUR OWN GAME, AND WHEN DOING SO, ALWAYS REMEMBER TO BET ON EVENTS THAT MUST HAPPEN IN THE DISTRIBUTION OF RESULTS TO CREATE THE VERY DATA THAT WE ALL STUDY AND GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS THAT REPEATS OF 2's and 3's and 4's etc, are everywhere you look, SO BE PATIENT AND MAKE THE CASINO FREEKIN' PAY YOU MORE THAN THEIR NORMALLY WILLING TO!!!
Rinad, remember, nothing personal, please! I respect you and your talent more than I respect most of any player I have come into contact with over the last 20 years.

KEEP YOUR BETS FLAT AND YOUR EYES AND MINDS OPEN, the juice
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##### Re: when 2 oposite progression work perfectly together. the perfect storm.
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2017, 05:16:56 PM »

Juice,

this is not my primary choice in ways of systems, but only certain times playing a negative progression can have its value. that is why i added the flat bet approche at the beginning before going for a progression.
but there should always be a stop loss. no doubt. using cycles is great for timing as well and keep your expectation in line.

i think the added positive side is also a very good way to play, and i have played that way often.
I have always been a big fan of positive progression, but even with those, timing and stop losses are important.

i am glad you share your views, and that is what a forum should always welcome. no problem there.
in many cheap method I have played, i have been doing great with this one, but adding a positive side to it may just be another stream of income,which could make this 2dz method safer, so thank you.

i thought this 2dz is fun to play but i would bet my house on it, lol.
God bless,

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#### juice

##### Re: when 2 oposite progression work perfectly together. the perfect storm.
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2017, 06:11:48 PM »
Sometimes, I have got to remind myself that not all players on this forum play with as large a unit size as I do....I see a lot of penny players and small stake, so I suppose they might out last a bad streak a bit longer than a large unit player. That said, I am always looking for my 6 to 12 units per hour average, and this using base bet 25\$ or more. I know this should all be relative, but dad gum table limit has always been looming in the background.  I try and consider methods of play that will keep large unit players flat and within an "single win" striking distance per hour, and thus giving you the choice to play on at lower stakes, should you make your quota early.
I will not go into what I make per year at "MY RULES" being played, but it is quite easy to do the math at my playing 20 hrs a week 40 weeks per year. The numbers game is the fun part of finding winning methods based on boosting the normal payout with your own rules. For example, I can not remember the last time I picked up the winnings from an even money payout, unless I was picking it up just to lay it back down in it's complete amount at a later condition, for a three to one payout.
The average player will never get over the hump to being a PRO, unless they realize that the main ingredient to winning is losing, you can not have one without the other. This said, all intentions on winning a bet you lay should be extended to a better payout than the casino is willing to give us.
I say this, because after your first loss, you are in 100% recovery mode, and then you are forced to show your talent, even if it is only being shown to yourself...
In the words of WARREN BUFFET....." compound interest isn't very glamorous, but in the long run, very effective."
Moral of the story, for me anyway, is that the rules of the game that casino expect you to play by, will never allow you to win in the long run unless you, CHANGE THE RULES AND PLAY BY THEM!

Best Regards, juice

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##### Re: when 2 oposite progression work perfectly together. the perfect storm.
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2017, 10:57:28 PM »

my first rule is; DONT LOSE ANY MONEY.
my second rule is' ALWAYS FOLLOW THE FIRST ONE!

we should start a new topic on compounding power and positive progression in view of Roulette methods.
I have so much to said about it, it could be very helpful for many players.
the positive prog. is way under rated. i agreed that 95% of systems are based on neg. in some strange reasons i guess it is for many of us what got us started in this crazy game, because of its logical promise that when one aplies a Martingale he has to soon enough reap the fruit of its labor.
or course we know that it was just the "carrot" that created a dream for us to chase after.
that 2dz method i brought to this post is neg.and posit/both at the same time.
now i know that what changed my game 20 years ago was the aplication of a "let it ride" approach to many of my games.
the funny and mysterious thing about playing positive progressions, (without going into mush details), is that when tested on a computer they dont perform very well. BUT WHEN PERFORMED IN REAL PLAY THEY ARE PUTTING CHIPS IN YOUR POCKETS.//???!!!!
not sure why. it has changed my game in blackjack,baccarat,and roulette tremendously.
not to go off topic.
playing 2 dz is a nice way to go and easy to manage. playing a positive progression is golden and should be used.
if i keep track of my cycles and i know my deviations on how often I should be getting my 3,4,5,10 wins in a row, by all means LET THOSE PUPPIES RIDE. THE DOWN SIDE IS LOW AND REWARDS CAN BE GREAT.
it is a tool or even a stand alone method any one can play. winning 12 spins in a row is not unusual at all. with enough patience and playing green chips you can serve yourself well.

take care.