### Author Topic: Enhanced Labouchere  (Read 3399 times)

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#### trojan

##### Enhanced Labouchere
« on: February 15, 2017, 10:56:51 AM »
Enhanced?

Well, maybe. Consider this...

Start with a typical line: 1,1,1,1,1,1,1

The bet is first 'two' numbers plus the last (instead of the usual first and last). ie 1+1+1=3

Cross off 'three' numbers on a win instead of two numbers.

If a loss, then add the 3, so: 1,1,1,1,1,1,3

Next bet 1+1+3=5

Anybody see potential in this?

#### Jesper

##### Re: Enhanced Labouchere
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2017, 01:28:24 PM »
No, not better than write the same amount in one or two numbers.

#### trojan

##### Re: Enhanced Labouchere
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2017, 10:17:57 PM »
No, I think it IS better.

#### Reyth

##### Re: Enhanced Labouchere
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2017, 11:02:44 PM »
The Fisher system has done this.  There is a trigger though before you start adding up and betting.  You must have your first win before betting 3 units.

So it would go:

LLLLLW

1 1 1 1 1

Notice there is one additional "1" in the list it is because you must always start with "1".  Now that we have a win, we will bet 3:

LLLLLWW

1 1 1 1 1

etc.

There is a few more things about this system where if the amounts to be bet in the future rise too high...  '

And if you start approaching table limits...

I don't see why it shouldn't be better when its 3:1 instead of 2:1?

#### kav

##### Re: Enhanced Labouchere
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2017, 01:26:54 AM »
I think it is too aggressive. It won't stand a long losing streak. Just my opinion.

#### Reyth

##### Re: Enhanced Labouchere
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2017, 04:52:30 AM »
What if we could change the ratio to be something between 3:1 and 2:1?

#### Jesper

##### Re: Enhanced Labouchere
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2017, 02:31:26 PM »
My advice is forget!

#### trojan

##### Re: Enhanced Labouchere
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2017, 05:58:53 PM »

#### Jesper

##### Re: Enhanced Labouchere
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2017, 10:58:55 PM »
My advice is forget!

why?

The labby must be the worlds most tested system, in all kinds of variants. All end up in a Marty, and lost farms.
A lot of them admit losing a fortune, use to admit it was a labby going weired.

#### Reyth

##### Re: Enhanced Labouchere
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2017, 11:28:36 PM »
We don't have to bet numbers that would be a marty, we can regroup & split the bets instead.  The point is that we have a progression scheme that has a 3:1 ratio instead of 2:1, so recovery would be stronger?

« Last Edit: February 16, 2017, 11:31:28 PM by Reyth »

#### MrPerfect.

##### Enhanced Labouchere
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2017, 12:03:21 AM »
Nice idea!!! Let's change no odds, just stalking plan. But what is a point? Odds are same, expectations are same, expected result do not change in any way,  so why to bother?
Translation of this " system" enhancement :
Let's bet fixed amount for unusually long starting sequence of spins. If loss, become desperate and triple initial bet , to be f..ckedup 3 times more then on previous spin!!! Nice achievement.
Or anyone here expect any other outcome?

For these who do not know. Progression of any type is a precise tool. Different progressions should be used for different goals. And none of them should be used if odds are stuck egainst you!

#### Geoffrey

##### Re: Enhanced Labouchere
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2017, 12:36:27 AM »
i dont see using a progression as something smart or dumb. it works the same way like variance does on the numbers that are spun.

if variance is going against you , progression only makes you lose faster. If variance is on your side you win bigger.

but we never know this before hand. so using progressions depends more on the type of gambler you are, and your risk/reward profile.

using a negative progression can get dangerous, a positive one  not that much, cause you are playing with the casino's money

#### Reyth

##### Re: Enhanced Labouchere
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2017, 12:43:05 AM »
Yes, and less "positive" variance is required to recover than with a 3:1 betting scheme than a 2:1.

The reverse labby is a positive progression.

#### MrPerfect.

##### Enhanced Labouchere
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2017, 04:57:18 AM »
Positive , negative, it's just a label.  Progression is progression. It works as a multiplier. Positive progression may produce negative result in negative expectation situation, as negative progression may work very well with positive expectation. Both types of progression are useless if odds are egainst the player.
I do not get it really, why system players look to the "tools" and call them "solutions"? I mean no hammer gonna help you with the nails if you do not have nails in the first place.
Progressions are tools designed espicifically to explore predetermined sequences of hits and misses. Each step in the progression should account for the likehood of the target wich is expected in this step. If likehood equals basic probability, where one will progress?
For me it looks like that all tolk in this forum is directed somewhere else, not to the systems. Everyone wanna do kill shot in roulette, but no one wanna aim the target.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2017, 02:28:11 AM by kav »

#### Jesper

##### Re: Enhanced Labouchere
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2017, 05:16:34 AM »
Yes we can split a Labby, but we will then need to have more winnings to come out. Even if we split in

ad absurdum, we may never come back, or we will stop due to lack of funds.

Labby turns to a Martingale or an infinite times of betting.  It gets the property of a Martingale or if it is splitted it turns to a kind of d'Alembert which never ends.