### Author Topic: Are there limits?  (Read 1999 times)

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#### Jesper

##### Are there limits?
« on: January 15, 2017, 03:30:09 PM »
I see in many situations, people believe there are limits of how many times an event in roulette can happen, or not happen.
I do not think there are such limit, but at the edge the probability for it should happen is very low, and needs a very large sample.

I did for fun a script which sounds crazy at the first view, but if we should find a method hardly ever lose, it must go bust very very rare, and still make some plus. This is mathematical not possible on a balanced wheel or proper RNG.
If we remove the zero (and there are NoZero games) or use table with zero but have no house advantage, it should be possible to run a progression, which test the "limits", and not is a "break even" play until it lose.

I have run 64000 spins and until then it has not lost a session (It can any trial).  It use the spread which exist on some  tables with one cent min. We play straight ups and use a negative progression.

This I have tried real just a few times, and won easy, as nothing strange happen, a hit within 70 spins.

During simulation of 64000 spins my highest bet was 63 units, and then a payout of  36 times that.
We could run up to a bet of 5000 or more units and be inside the table limit.

If you try the simulator, and find a win on bet zero, it is the first bet winning, as the count starts with zero.
It tells the pay out and there is a net win every hit, how much we reduce the bets done from the pay out.

« Last Edit: January 15, 2017, 09:06:23 PM by Jesper »

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#### Jesper

##### Re: Are there limits?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2017, 04:20:54 PM »
Well over 100000 bets and the highest was 63 which happen 3 times.

130000 bets one 255 session. I have added so the high bets are recorded.

200 000 bets highest still 255 once, a few 63, no 127.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2017, 05:11:37 PM by Jesper »

#### Jesper

##### Re: Are there limits?
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2017, 05:52:29 PM »
Passed 300 000 which is more than I could have time to do in real play. Got one more 255 and one 127 bets.
Which is  sleeping period of about 350. As we can expect much more, if we try long enough, we can be sure it will soon or later bust. But how much have we won before? It use to be less than a bust.

Straight ups have  large variance, so it is quite possible it can go up to a million spins winning, as it can fail fast.

After 500000  spins the highest bet is still  255 which has been twice.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2017, 06:09:16 PM by Jesper »

#### Jesper

##### Re: Are there limits?
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2017, 07:40:19 PM »
After 670000 spin the highest bet was once 1023.

750 000 spins and once still 1024as highest bet.

900 000 bet and twice a bet on 1023 units.

Some spins are without  bet, but they are not counted, the counted spins are with bet.

1000 000 spins done and the highest bet was 1023 bets. A large number but in  could be 10.23 Euro.
I have not this time checked the profit, it is if it could hold a million spins. I id, but that means not it will go an other million without a bust.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2017, 08:32:46 PM by Jesper »

#### Jesper

##### Re: Are there limits?
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2017, 09:08:26 PM »
Now we can test both NOZ and Zero wheel, if we check the box beside the zero place, the game change to a wheel with zero.

#### palestis

##### Re: Are there limits?
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2017, 02:47:59 AM »
Now we can test both NOZ and Zero wheel, if we check the box beside the zero place, the game change to a wheel with zero.
If you can't win a roulette with the 0 (which is always the case), you can't win a roulette without the 0. When someone loses \$1000 in 3 hours, I doubt that it was the HE that caused him to lose.
Most likely players run out of money or quit for fear of losing more than what they already lost.
At the same time if a system is superior and wins consistently, it can sure with  a 00 and 000, even if the payout is 34:1.

#### Jesper

##### Re: Are there limits?
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2017, 04:17:57 AM »
Check any method  on NOZ or with a Zero-Wheel, and you will find it is a real difference. We can win on both, as we can win however we bet, but there is a difference in success rate between the wheels, whatever method we use.

#### Jesper

##### Re: Are there limits?
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2017, 05:07:18 AM »
Added a textfield showing the winnings (or loss). It shows even if we can win for long time, the rate of winning is slow compare to time. It is the limits we test .

I am still debugging some parts.

#### Duncan

##### Re: Are there limits?
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2017, 09:09:41 AM »
yes there are limits... but only if you know how and when