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#### MrPerfect.

##### vb school
« on: July 16, 2016, 11:52:59 AM »
I made a list of simple tasks for anyone who wanna learn vb should follow. Taking every action player need to do one at the time is better to develop skill, it will help me to select these whours wanna really learn something. So subscribe here all who wants to learn vb. I'll give you one task at the time, when completed,  other one. ..

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#### december

##### Re: vb school
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2016, 12:18:58 PM »
I'd like to learn winning.
Is it a problem that I'm not a believer in VB, as of till now?

Thanks

#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: vb school
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2016, 03:03:31 PM »
I'd like to learn winning.
Is it a problem that I'm not a believer in VB, as of till now?

Thanks
Vb doesn't require to belive. Just know how to upply and constant atention. Vb stands for visual ballistic.  It has many similarity with what snipers do. You need similar tables they use, change your aim based on conditions ( wind, no wind, pressure..ets). And it all boiling to basic skills... for example , you need order of numbers on the wheel memorised and ability to calculate distances between numbers in a split second.
These are 2 basic skills wich are requirement to be accepted in my Vb school.
Later today l will comment further about how to develop these skills.

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#### december

##### Re: vb school
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2016, 03:17:10 PM »
That's fair.

But remembering distances.... Can't we just look at picture?

I menage to remember that there are groups HR and LB on right side and HB and LR on left side!
And 26 0 32....

#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: vb school
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2016, 04:55:30 PM »
That's fair.

But remembering distances.... Can't we just look at picture?

I menage to remember that there are groups HR and LB on right side and HB and LR on left side!
And 26 0 32....
Yes we can!!! But we better not. More things you are able to do automatically - better. You,  when you drive, use manual " how to drive"?
Do you think about " where is a stop pedal"? Vb itself is like driving, should be automatic.

#### december

##### Re: vb school
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2016, 05:13:26 PM »
Now I know 3 26 0 32!

#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: vb school
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2016, 06:57:57 PM »
Now I know 3 26 0 32!
Bravo!!! On my first day l knew less

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#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: vb school
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2016, 12:07:19 AM »
OK.  As l promised,  lm back.
To learn numbers order, you may treat them as a Telefonic numbers. I'll try to post a picture wich may help. Yea!!! It worked .
After lerning numbers back and forward there is a trick how to simplify counting distances.
Need to atribute to each number its position.
For example, zero is position zero, 32 is position1, 15 is position2, 19 is position 3... ets.
If you ignore zero, there are 36 numbers and 36 positions. They can easy be devided to 4 sectors.
32, 15, 19... 34 are numbers with positions 1-9.
6,27..10 are numbers with positions 10-18. And so on.
Why 9 numbers is easier?  Because we devided wheel in 4 sectors and each sector can be devided in 2 with sentral number and 4 to each side. Sentral numbers of the sectors are : 21, 11, 1,28.
Now imagine we need to know distance beetwen numbers 4 and 10. We may remember that position of number 4 is 4 and position of number 10 is 18. Simple calculation tell us that difference is 14 pokets.  Alternatively we may remember that number 4 is one number before the centre of first sector and there are 5 numbers after it plus etire sector all the way till number 10 ( wich is the end of sector 2. This way 9+5=14.
You may use  it the way wich looks to you more easy. More " visual " folks will be preferring second way, more " number minded" the first one.
What to do if both ways look cucumbersome?  There are people who wired more on kinesthetic way. It's not a problem.  You may imagine yourself in the circle  with numbers and just add the angle. There are 360 degrees in the circle, we have 36 numbers.... so 10 degrees for each number.
Alternatively, you may be creative and find your own way to do it.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2016, 12:37:09 AM by MrPerfect. »

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#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: vb school
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2016, 09:17:21 AM »
To descomplify general idea of vb...
Core of vb is a simple ( relatively) calculation.
How it's done? We identify one specific revolution of the ball. Assuming that we identify it correct, we can measure time that ball takes to complete all the rest of revolutions. Let's say we can identify moment when ball has 4 more revolutions to go. ... on my wheel from this moment ball has to go around 6 seconds more till drop. Six seconds become our time ("t") for the ball. Each time we identify " revolution" correct, we may expect ball to take 6 seconds.
If there is " dominant drop point" , where ball may exit the ball track more often then expected, we have our " aim". We identify our revolution and take a number wich gonna be under the ball , when the ball pass our " aim" point on the revolution we choose to identify.
This number called " visual observation" or simply " key".
So we know that ball left to go around 6 seconds and we obtained a " key". Now we have to adjust for changes of rotor ( disk with numbers) speed.
In the beguining of the spin, before obtaining our key, we have to measure rotor speed. To measure it we simply could start timer ( or a head count...1..2..3) wich will measure interval of 6 seconds. We start our count ( timer) in the place where zero number is. After 6 seconds we look the same place and see number wich is there. Let's say it's number zero. It mean that during 6 second we see distance ( change) of 0 pokets from our starting time till end of 6 seconds. In this case we do not need to adjust for rotor. Our visual key becomes our prediction. Prediction is where we expect the ball to exit from ball truck after 6 seconds finished , counting from revolution identification moment till drop.
What to do if we see other number for rotor adjustment wich is not zero? Assume ball goes clockwise.... and we see number 6 instead of zero after up ply time to rotor. From 0 till 6 it's 10 pokets distance.  This distance become our " offset" between our " visual key " and our " prediction" of where ball is expected to exit.
So in this situation,  if we observed offset of 10 numbers for rotor and took visual key number 0. Wich will be our prediction?  You could gess that our prediction become number 6.

#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: vb school
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2016, 09:32:50 AM »
As you see, if we have non random drop point ( exit point where ball drops) , predicting wich number gonna be there is relatively easy.
If someone find my explanation not easy to follow, I'll try to systimise for you.
There are stages to perform vb.
1. We need to be able to identify specific revolution of the ball.
2. Measure the time that ball takes from our revolition identification moment till drop on the disk with numbers.
3 . Adjust for the rotor speed.
On our specific revolution we take a number under our " aim" ( where we expect ball to exit), it becomes our visual key. Visual key gonna be related to number under our aim when ball is expected to exit the ball truck. If rotor doesn't move at all our prediction is our visual key.
If rotor show some offset we need to adjust.
Bacik assumptions
1.Ball takes time " t" from our prediction moment till drop. ( sum of timings of revolutions left to go)
2. Rotor angular speed is constant.
3. We upply same time to the rotor wich is left for the ball to go ( "t") and observe " offset"(distance in pokets).
4. Our visual key will be related to the drop number by the offset.

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#### kav

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##### Re: vb school
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2016, 10:22:01 AM »
MrPerfect,
In fact I believe that if you want to sell something it is better to gain the  apreciation of the readers for the valuable info you share than doing a sales pitch.
Keep up the good posts
« Last Edit: July 17, 2016, 10:24:55 AM by kav »

#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: vb school
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2016, 10:46:57 AM »
MrPerfect,
In fact I believe that if you want to sell something it is better to gain the  apreciation of the readers for the valuable info you share than doing a sales pitch.
Keep up the good posts
My main objective is not making money with sall. I wanna sell obviously,  but it doesn't stop there. I want people to use my tools and forward me the data they collect. So l can use their data for my future studies of wheels out there. It will be beneficial for data collectors ( info how to beat the wheel) and for me as well.
I could just hire people to track wheels, bit how make them focused on the job? How reliable data will be wich they provide?
Easiest way l see is to make trackers be able earn they pay themselves.  That's why l wanna give them my tools.
In the future l see these guys with my tools to form their sindicates of players and pay me percentage of winnings for my help with data analysis. .. so everyone will get what they want. I prefere to spend my time on pc looking for a data, guys prefree go out there and kill casinos, or milk them if they choose it.
I need a community to realise my dream, if l do not find one, l will create it.

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#### Bayes

##### Re: vb school
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2016, 07:08:47 PM »
Hi MrPerfect,

For me, this is the crucial issue:

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If there is " dominant drop point"
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if we have non random drop point

The key word is "IF".

I haven't seriously studied or practiced VB, but I've done some preliminary research in casinos in my country (UK) looking for dominant diamond(s), and came up with nothing. No diamond in any of the wheels I observed was hit significantly more often than any other. One source told me that 15 to 20% of wheels are beatable, but I've yet to find even one.

The situation may be different in other countries of course. What's your estimate of the number of "VB vulnerable" wheels?

I appreciate that for some, their dream occupation might be travelling the world looking for biased wheels, but I'm not one of them. Nor, it seems, are you, since you say you'd rather sit at home in front of your pc.

#### MrPerfect.

##### Re: vb school
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2016, 07:21:30 PM »
Hi MrPerfect,

For me, this is the crucial issue:

Quote
If there is " dominant drop point"
Quote
if we have non random drop point

The key word is "IF".

I haven't seriously studied or practiced VB, but I've done some preliminary research in casinos in my country (UK) looking for dominant diamond(s), and came up with nothing. No diamond in any of the wheels I observed was hit significantly more often than any other. One source told me that 15 to 20% of wheels are beatable, but I've yet to find even one.

The situation may be different in other countries of course. What's your estimate of the number of "VB vulnerable" wheels?

I appreciate that for some, their dream occupation might be travelling the world looking for biased wheels, but I'm not one of them. Nor, it seems, are you, since you say you'd rather sit at home in front of your pc.
Hi, new friend.
I do not need travel. I go to play befor and after work. Its a partime job for me to play.
Things like drop point is nice to have,not nessesary. Its like a bonus. I used it to explain general idea of vb, so people do not think about it as " black cat at the black room". Obviosly vb itself is a personal skill, some people are much better then others doing it. Its like driving... some drive home, some are pilots of F1.
My idea is to teach people drive, rest is up to them.
About drop... drop is not a diamond... drop is a place on the stator where ball has a tendency to enter numbets. It may hit different diamonds and still arrive same drop point. Or it may hit same diamond and go to different drop point. Ill explane  these things , but not here and at this moment. This information will be presented individualy to people who can lern numbers and distances and subscribe to my vb cource.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2016, 07:27:26 PM by MrPerfect. »

#### Bayes

##### Re: vb school
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2016, 07:33:48 PM »
Things like drop point is nice to have,not nessesary. Its like a bonus.

Ok thanks. I was led to believe that in order to use VB effectively the wheel has to tilted, if only very slightly. But even if the wheel isn't tilted, doesn't some form of bias have to be present? (I know there are different kinds of bias because I've read Caleb's book).

So are you saying you can get an advantage playing any and every wheel?